From owner-freebsd-x11@freebsd.org Thu Dec 21 16:13:17 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-x11@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF51EEA04C9 for ; Thu, 21 Dec 2017 16:13:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gljennjohn@gmail.com) Received: from mail-wm0-x242.google.com (mail-wm0-x242.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c09::242]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7D0316C277; Thu, 21 Dec 2017 16:13:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gljennjohn@gmail.com) Received: by mail-wm0-x242.google.com with SMTP id f9so16880285wmh.0; Thu, 21 Dec 2017 08:13:17 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=date:from:to:cc:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:reply-to :mime-version:content-transfer-encoding; bh=hTxjRYCxvMLjI4lWT4b0z3+vHdOmb31keJ6WBi5TTjA=; b=DiUc3In3jCM1vAuyRY5fjsFzbgRmBY+/CxTCDCC+A47dUtlymbilJYZCmG4+XqsQVi 1Oq46iTlMrm/3lVQwORZKGgYUX1v3E6zqfpAhgFDWTVAfhQEu2LcYSs6BppwbsWK5Ary 8zzvptAqXDljiKp5GK4c2EPLcCksE1EcSIH5x2c35GSiJupiQTQXM1rY30++xnZXjBa4 lroR4MsHEOtE1Jr8HvLJ3imClByKDOAknc3zBygaZod3A5Ncr9TBiuK961biHjJLYKKQ PlceTzhVJlsiW4byQDyYsqlJ5yeb1N98IJtrTkMs+9HLxqiAm1+CPlv72FZfvNPOY8Aw xDVg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:date:from:to:cc:subject:message-id:in-reply-to :references:reply-to:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding; bh=hTxjRYCxvMLjI4lWT4b0z3+vHdOmb31keJ6WBi5TTjA=; b=MQ9SnagqEQEgd6edj3SyMOvie1WCZQXmZB7+FAsp5s4JNd6v6yxbzxrpAQn3QY/l/9 Vp+bE3he+P8OsBXyjZQ4CJjvDPkKDu46MPkIqRyyEKXEVoruUcKtQFVGouT7HHEEsq14 Vv/7ZQGJkqglTxRvysVDF6v/e1nQNspGzvHQ+KL5X1Q/HoWUymzIr8XN/V3wICxyq1ze LlgCj3e3tHZ3bhcwAhgJ2ForQ8lfIsqTsuh6tqr8XOKq77y105o2/f/00AYkJeAHBeac 3FdnyyVVL10JjCCVd79kQVEsS2lwhqBIrO7EMjedGHXfEGO6c3Gqpgzsp04+23ozE0+b E4fw== X-Gm-Message-State: AKGB3mLl6z7IhNljp72ln6x6Yeh7CdaGdveC9UpoFpqEFjpo5Knvz/9T QUO44qnvBska95sYWMYY8Ko= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ACJfBovetTxrnv7lBxly39hhsFU4Mrgi9pf0m5GWgMdeAc6OdFzLIgeGlS/+cj8sihI1nGsyl9+pCg== X-Received: by 10.28.134.130 with SMTP id i124mr9598557wmd.10.1513872795893; Thu, 21 Dec 2017 08:13:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from ernst.home (p5B0238CC.dip0.t-ipconnect.de. [91.2.56.204]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id y42sm20248764wrc.96.2017.12.21.08.13.14 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-CHACHA20-POLY1305 bits=256/256); Thu, 21 Dec 2017 08:13:14 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2017 17:13:11 +0100 From: Gary Jennejohn To: Mark Linimon Cc: Tommi Pernila , Tijl Coosemans , freebsd-x11@freebsd.org, linimon@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Vote: making wayland=on default (also posted to ports@) Message-ID: <20171221171311.1db32238@ernst.home> In-Reply-To: <20171221160005.GA2704@lonesome.com> References: <20171220132717.0eb5777d@ernst.home> <20171220180106.0224107c@kalimero.tijl.coosemans.org> <0cadf450-ce6b-f9bc-bdbd-99f89c4dec6f@unrelenting.technology> <20171221113800.4b3acf10@kalimero.tijl.coosemans.org> <20171221164635.7a348ad0@ernst.home> <20171221160005.GA2704@lonesome.com> Reply-To: gljennjohn@gmail.com X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.15.1 (GTK+ 2.24.31; amd64-portbld-freebsd12.0) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: X11 on FreeBSD -- maintaining and support List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2017 16:13:18 -0000 On Thu, 21 Dec 2017 10:00:05 -0600 Mark Linimon wrote: > On Thu, Dec 21, 2017 at 04:46:35PM +0100, Gary Jennejohn wrote: > > If the eventual goal is to eliminate pure X11 and only offer the crap > > being put into the Linux kernel, then there will be lots of unhappy > > campers. > > The question here is about upstream support. If all the X11 developers > switch to using Wayland, at some point X11 will bitrot. > Strictly speaking, they aren't developing X11. That's done by Xorg. If you mean application developers, then you're probably right. As unfortunate as it may be, to most of them all the world is Linux. As long as there is some version of Xorg which works I'll be happy. I don't need to use the latest and greatest version of some utility which has a few new bells and whistles which depend on Wayland. > And our own X11 volunteers are overwhelmed as it is. > This is true. -- Gary Jennejohn