From owner-freebsd-small Wed Oct 7 10:56:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA10444 for freebsd-small-outgoing; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 10:56:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from freeby.mesanet.com (mesa.dial.idiom.com [209.157.70.63]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA10420 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 10:56:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pcw@mesanet.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freeby.mesanet.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id KAA13079; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 10:54:11 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 10:54:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Peter Wallace To: Mike Smith cc: freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Command-line i/f (Re: PicoBSD) In-Reply-To: <199810060316.UAA01889@dingo.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Peter Wallace Mesa Electronics On Mon, 5 Oct 1998, Mike Smith wrote: > > > > Whats the big deal about cramming this onto a single floppy... > > > > Wouldn't a real embedded FreeBSD application use a small flash drive? The > > > > smallest chips that we use now are 4 M Bytes and about $12.00, cheaper > > > > than a floppy drive! > > > > > > They don't have mounting screws, nor can you plug them into a standard > > > motherboard. 8) > > > > > > Lots of "embedded" stuff involves an ordinary PC bolted to the inside > > > of a big wooden box or similar. > > > > But I think lots _more_ embedded stuff will be: higher reliability > > / wider ambient temperature range / smaller size / and lower cost than can > > be achieved with a floppy for boot device... > > For that sort of thing, definitely. "Embedded" systems cover an > enormous range, and if you're manufacturing your own hardware, the > story changes rapidly. > > > I guess it depends on what the imagined target for PicoBSD is. > > Extremely varied - I certainly see it being used on flash-based > systems; don't get me wrong, I'd love to see an unencumberd TFFS clone. > 8) Maybe we could give away our BIOS INT 13 FFS code and some kind FreeBSD hacker could munge it into unix land... Peter Wallace Mesa Electronics > -- > \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith > \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au > \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org > \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message