From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Feb 3 17:10:10 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0107137B401 for ; Mon, 3 Feb 2003 17:10:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from bluejay.mail.pas.earthlink.net (bluejay.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.218]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3880243F9B for ; Mon, 3 Feb 2003 17:10:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tlambert2@mindspring.com) Received: from pool0354.cvx21-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net ([209.179.193.99] helo=mindspring.com) by bluejay.mail.pas.earthlink.net with asmtp (SSLv3:RC4-MD5:128) (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18frb8-0007iM-00; Mon, 03 Feb 2003 17:10:03 -0800 Message-ID: <3E3F1184.5C0A56AB@mindspring.com> Date: Mon, 03 Feb 2003 17:04:04 -0800 From: Terry Lambert X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Brad Knowles Cc: JacobRhoden , freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: oh my god the nasa shuttle blewup References: <200302031346.34040.jrhoden@unimelb.edu.au> <3E3EACA8.D3C4310F@mindspring.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: b1a02af9316fbb217a47c185c03b154d40683398e744b8a498a8747bb0c81780f93f6428dafe0079667c3043c0873f7e350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Brad Knowles wrote: > At 9:53 AM -0800 2003/02/03, Terry Lambert wrote: > > The bad guys do not need a handbook on how to think about getting > > around the (obvious, after analysis) holes in security and other > > protocols at NASA, or airports, nor do they need suggestions on how > > to perform their acts successfully. > > I worked for over five years at the Pentagon. One lesson I > learned early is that there is no scheme you or I or anyone else can > come up with that the bad guys haven't probably already thought of. I find that extremely unlikely, actually, or the bad guys would already have won, since there are a lot of minimal effort things that you could do to disrupt the U.S. economy, if that was your target. The WTC crash was a big deal politically and in terms of human interest, but it didn't significantly disrupt any of the underlying systems, to any real degree. It was an incredibly ineffective act. > It is the duty of people who consider themselves to be good guys > to come up with every single whacked-out idea they can, bring them up > (albeit in the proper channels) and let them be analyzed and > categorized, and if considered to be a serious threat, then obviously > someone will be responsible for doing something to try to at least > detect that type of attack before it occurs or to lessen the > potential effects of such an attack. The threat level is usually based on the probability "the bad guys" will think it. -- Terry To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message