Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2015 08:06:30 +0000 From: "Poul-Henning Kamp" <phk@phk.freebsd.dk> To: John-Mark Gurney <jmg@funkthat.com> Cc: arch@freebsd.org Subject: Re: add inverse option to ministat Message-ID: <78059.1436947590@critter.freebsd.dk> In-Reply-To: <20150715071534.GE8523@funkthat.com> References: <20150715002013.GZ8523@funkthat.com> <77609.1436942964@critter.freebsd.dk> <20150715071534.GE8523@funkthat.com>
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In message <20150715071534.GE8523@funkthat.com>, John-Mark Gurney writes:
>Poul-Henning Kamp wrote this message on Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 06:49 +0000:
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>> In message <20150715002013.GZ8523@funkthat.com>, John-Mark Gurney writes:
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>> >Instead of having to massage the data, or know that below a certain
>> >percentage you can just flip the sign, provide this, and you'll now
>> >convert to x per second, giving you an easier comparision for talking.
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>> Why isn't this fundamentally against the UNIX and Software Tools Philosphy
>> and the first step on a long road to turn ministat into R ?
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>Didn't that get violated when options -C and -d were added in r161692?
Those have pretty solid precedents in cut(1), sort(1) etc.
I protest primarily because I called it *mini*stat for a reason,
and secondarily because I think it is a slippery slope doing it
operator by operator the way this patch invites to, next thing you
know we will have -a(dd) -s(ubtract) -m(ultiply) and -d(ivide).
*Iff* we want to allow transformations of input values, we should be
general about it, and allow people to enter a full expression:
ministat -e '(x - 645134) / 1203.5 + 7.5'
But that means adding another full expression evaluator to the tree
because none of the many we already have offer a library interface,
and once you've implemented +,-,/,* people will ask for log(), exp()
and...
The shortcut to just hack it so ministat does a popen(awk) to do
the math, doesn't offer anything over running awk by hand in my
view.
There are of course ways we could do this "right":
If we had an official "little-language" in the base-system (Tcl,
Lua, Intercal - pick your poison) we could use that, but apart from
the religions fundamentalism, little languages always suffer from
latent chronic obesity.
A more feasible way might be to adopt plan9's pipe-trick, where
fopen(3) does popen(3) if the first char is '|':
ministat "|awk '{print 1/$1}' file1" "|awk '{print 1/$1}' file2"
(I never understood why that got shouted down in 199x, and I still
think it would be a damn nice feature to have...)
But for ministat specificall, I'd rather stop before we even get
started, point at the 'mini' and tell people to run awk(1) or learn
R if they need non-mini functionality.
PS: I also agree with Michael that claiming copyright for adding a
single division operation comes across as a bit expansionist.
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