Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2012 13:54:35 +0100 From: David Chisnall <theraven@theravensnest.org> To: Doug Barton <dougb@freebsd.org> Cc: FreeBSD Hackers <freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org>, freebsd-current@freebsd.org, Arnaud Lacombe <lacombar@gmail.com> Subject: Re: On cooperative work [Was: Re: newbus' ivar's limitation..] Message-ID: <CA622462-DB69-40E4-9E1D-A4D83AEB12F8@theravensnest.org> In-Reply-To: <501A0258.4010101@FreeBSD.org> References: <CACqU3MUh1XPScRHNc-ivOYLmbG0_UqpwBNWeoPA84uSOESH_bg@mail.gmail.com> <CAJ-FndCHxpTfc%2Bb5zgiX2NheaQN1LcJXBRubef4_GAYCy_pb2g@mail.gmail.com> <CACqU3MWo=ieaduuwZDF6SfzUUS5y1qzP5e2Ddg6Aphnz_O2PJw@mail.gmail.com> <CAJ-FndCDpD3rnQFwiOSGofP9cPCxC5Zo%2BPLfxALY8pnE=2HQMA@mail.gmail.com> <CACqU3MW2JEtDK0Ngdf_Br6D%2BVvdU1B9LmN0fm0F9=bG0f2iW4Q@mail.gmail.com> <CAJ-VmomhHxG8t9Sw7de%2BzUnbz0O5GSY4ifpHFtCb9JS_zS0rBA@mail.gmail.com> <CACqU3MUKGcy8rNz0FcZLVat49BmRLD3hVKX%2BOXxkzwRDugKtAw@mail.gmail.com> <612DA8A3-121E-4E72-9E5B-F3CBA9DEB7F7@bsdimp.com> <CACqU3MU-WyNFf5UZGx15m_HWBx_6W272qkfqHHJ8G7v%2BJCK2Sw@mail.gmail.com> <FAE07410-CA99-4061-856F-799DB9D225BE@bsdimp.com> <501A0258.4010101@FreeBSD.org>
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On 2 Aug 2012, at 05:30, Doug Barton wrote: > I used to ask the PTB to provide *some* form of remote participation = for > even a fraction of the events at the dev summit. I don't bother asking > anymore because year after year my requests were met with any of: > indifference, hostility, shrugged shoulders (that's a hard problem = that > we can't solve), or embarrassment. Since if the right people around = here > want something to happen, it happens; I finally came to the conclusion > that they didn't want remote participation to happen, so it won't. > That's a shame. You haven't asked for this for the Cambridge DevSummit, but others have = and so we have arranged for cameras and microphones to be available for = two of the sessions (the DocSummit and the ARM working group) to allow = those who can not attend in person for various reasons to participate. =20= I don't know how useful it will be (hopefully everything will work, but = my experience with video conferencing is that it stops working as soon = as you try to do something important with it), but there is certainly no = active attempt to exclude people who can't attend. =20 After each DevSummit, the results seem to appear on the wiki quite = promptly - often during the sessions. At BSDCan this year, two of the = working groups that I attended used OpenEtherPad to take minutes, so = they were available in real time for non-attendees and people outside of = the room were able to add things to them. There are usually people in = the room on IRC as well, who are willing to relay things from people = outside. David=
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