From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Apr 15 22:12:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA07489 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 22:12:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from burka.rdy.com (dima@burka.rdy.com [205.149.163.30]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA07357; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 22:11:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dima@burka.rdy.com) Received: by burka.rdy.com id WAA03453; (8.8.8/RDY) Wed, 15 Apr 1998 22:11:29 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199804160511.WAA03453@burka.rdy.com> Subject: Re: kernel permissions In-Reply-To: from Ted Spradley at "Apr 16, 98 00:00:17 am" To: tsprad@set.spradley.tmi.net (Ted Spradley) Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 22:11:28 -0700 (PDT) Cc: dima@best.net, louie@TransSys.COM, trost@cloud.rain.com, stable@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-security@FreeBSD.ORG X-Class: Fast Organization: HackerDome Reply-To: dima@best.net From: dima@best.net (Dima Ruban) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL38 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Ted Spradley writes: > > > > By this reasoning, there's no point in removing read permission either. > > > > Of course there is. Because user doesn't need to have this information. > > Is this what your argument boils down to -- *Your* users don't have a > 'Need to Know' (to use the Pentagon expression). Maybe I prefer to > encourage my users to learn as much as they will about the system. Maybe > I take a very negative attitude about keeping any information secret, so > I consider long and hard before I remove read permission for anybody from > any information. Maybe that's why I use a system that has freely > available source code. Okay. Here's an example. Ever hear of a commertially available drivers? When you install such stuff, you don't want somebody to be able to read them, or have a copy of kernel with them. Why? Because you did pay for them and whoever wants to have an access - didnt. Normal users *do not need* to have an read acces to the kernel. They simply don't. Do you need any other examples? What's the deal with arguing on such a simply issue? > > -- dima To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message