From owner-freebsd-security Wed Mar 6 8:59:33 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-security@freebsd.org Received: from post-11.mail.nl.demon.net (post-11.mail.nl.demon.net [194.159.73.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20B4C37B404 for ; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 08:59:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from [212.238.194.207] (helo=mailhost.raggedclown.net) by post-11.mail.nl.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16iel8-000FXj-00 for freebsd-security@freebsd.org; Wed, 06 Mar 2002 16:59:22 +0000 Received: from angel.raggedclown.net (angel.raggedclown.intra [192.168.1.7]) by mailhost.raggedclown.net (Ragged Clown Mail Gateway [buffy]) with ESMTP id 99F4513040 for ; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 17:59:21 +0100 (CET) Received: by angel.raggedclown.net (Ragged Clown Host [angel], from userid 1005) id 11B9E22595; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 17:59:16 +0100 (CET) Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 17:59:16 +0100 From: Cliff Sarginson To: freebsd-security@freebsd.org Subject: Re: http://users.uk.freebsd.org/~juha/ Message-ID: <20020306165915.GB4962@raggedclown.net> References: <000c01c1c322$df0f22a0$0101a8c0@noc2> <20020304202541.U91555-100000@earl-grey.cloud9.net> <20020305015104.GA40292@core.usrlib.org> <20020305114625.GA11426@raggedclown.net> <3C84CC9A.E506D746@centtech.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <3C84CC9A.E506D746@centtech.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.27i Sender: owner-freebsd-security@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, Mar 05, 2002 at 07:48:10AM -0600, Eric Anderson wrote: > Cliff Sarginson wrote: > > What always bugs me is people who should know better referring to "crackers", > > as "hackers" :) > > > > So are you saying that crackers are the password breaking, system comprimising > people? Or hackers? > Ok, clarification time. Hackers are the nice people who brought you FreeBSD, they may be "crackers" in the sense of being unstable, unreasonable, anti-social, self-opinionated, ego-maniac synchronised swimming fans. But they don't break things for fun, profit or revenge. Crackers are people who break things, for fun, because it's cool in some circles, because they have nothing better to do -- there are phasers in the ports collection, you can use them to see if your system can resist attack, or you can just shoot at any passing target with them. These are the JDs. Then there are the crackers who crack systems as professionals, for political, monetary or idealogical reasons. If they are very good they probably never get prosecuted but end up working for the government :) Then there is a character in Italy who syn scans me once a week or so. He might be a cracker who is crackers as well. If he is listening there is nothing interesting on port 512 either. -- Regards Cliff Sarginson -- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-security" in the body of the message