From owner-svn-src-all@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 20 20:00:53 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: svn-src-all@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A1A0882; Thu, 20 Jun 2013 20:00:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from theraven@FreeBSD.org) Received: from theravensnest.org (theraven.freebsd.your.org [216.14.102.27]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F1A612B6; Thu, 20 Jun 2013 20:00:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.0.2] (cpc27-cmbg15-2-0-cust235.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com [86.27.188.236]) (authenticated bits=0) by theravensnest.org (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id r5KK0OYW008140 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Thu, 20 Jun 2013 20:00:26 GMT (envelope-from theraven@FreeBSD.org) Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_3A13DB81-56E4-44A9-ADEF-BAE52192DE8B"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.3 \(1503\)) Subject: Re: svn commit: r251886 - in head: contrib/apr contrib/apr-util contrib/serf contrib/sqlite3 contrib/subversion share/mk usr.bin usr.bin/svn usr.bin/svn/lib usr.bin/svn/lib/libapr usr.bin/svn/lib/libap... From: David Chisnall In-Reply-To: <68D70A89-22F2-412C-BAF4-72BEFE21EB2F@bsdimp.com> Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2013 21:00:17 +0100 Message-Id: References: <201306180253.r5I2rj45053959@svn.freebsd.org> <11DA3D8A-AD20-4DE1-B807-D09814F61947@bsdimp.com> <51C1C7BD.9060201@FreeBSD.org> <201306191113.29703.jhb@freebsd.org> <8D00BE2B-FD8E-4E7B-B818-1C4B7F6BB6A5@bsdimp.com> <68D70A89-22F2-412C-BAF4-72BEFE21EB2F@bsdimp.com> To: Warner Losh X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1503) Cc: src-committers@FreeBSD.org, Andre Oppermann , John Baldwin , Peter Wemm , svn-src-all@FreeBSD.org, David Chisnall , svn-src-head@FreeBSD.org, Tijl Coosemans X-BeenThere: svn-src-all@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "SVN commit messages for the entire src tree \(except for " user" and " projects" \)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2013 20:00:53 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_3A13DB81-56E4-44A9-ADEF-BAE52192DE8B Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On 20 Jun 2013, at 20:34, Warner Losh wrote: > People trying new versions of FreeBSD. Some of them install the = release, others might install a snapshot, some will do an install world. = But if it worked in release 9.3 and broke in 9.4, then to find where = they would need to install an svn port to get all the points in between. >=20 > Not having to install a port, possibly a port that got messed up by = the world you just build, is a big win for me in my mind. Users often = have commented to me that running FreeBSD gets harder and harder with = more hoops to jump through to do things that used to be easy. Installing = svn is one more hoop. It, by itself isn't a huge hoop, but if we can = avoid that hoop we should. >=20 > I do mind installing a port to do this. We've kicked too much out of = the tree in the name of anti-bloat, and frankly I'm glad to see this. This rationale makes sense to me. > I think insisting on a definitive statement on svn lite's mission = statement is a way to obstruct progress. Sometimes you just need to = things because they feel right, not because they have been through a = 20-step approval process... When we add something to base, it should always be for a reason with a = defined use-case that can't be (easily) solved by existing means. I = think we have that rationale now, and I'm happy. A long discussion = could have been circumvented by providing it up-front. David --Apple-Mail=_3A13DB81-56E4-44A9-ADEF-BAE52192DE8B Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2.0.18 (Darwin) Comment: GPGTools - http://gpgtools.org iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJRw19SAAoJEKx65DEEsqIdbPwQAJfjqRTI6R6UpkUKS05uoydL /Dle4aJMStvF0cnJAsRppGxqWWmSvWwTmYfFsqsdypC4XpzlptMIkXevMBZVI6eS 4VGNl1rTY4yeS7qcyISGIgk0nYCUxzF1LrgTpqgP1+sgcbaIhx6CxMnPaxkuDS/A 2I+9HH9MdqyU1K690k+eFeVmQW1dUESi47P5zBoBlOkOsCxlPIDi0l2M8OCcIYQh k/VUbh+JxWWfGV7gxz2ShfJ1NtI457eI6DmjclbGCi4eCVIR3c1+xOcGtuDKmsUs nrDmW88FRnIVPetIMGGINb7nFrsh34vaAC7IlgjxddKpGaucuDZKY7s7xcwCUPvQ q8eR68TvcAxxDy9NQ0V4OsGTOoU6LY0VTMZ2LdoWqoLIkGn4U9QCiZGWOPS46kEc 7W0aTkEusmyX/ojMpRiNvFaXNUq7nq49OLUjk9OrPRv3/fNJsjlbw8A+T/u+J2wg rQSMkzCfhHv9NmqsXAIiIk/A+USfg2/pJM6cQ4WuWpkmDqXRPIX2127fg8hk9jDD KOFA2qOcOvx/mDZYqvJ4K6r7GjmsJd+NTFB7y1WGLkKjLPTsoU9UgRcKX3kYzlGc JZQVer85EzfepDsjE4H3SRVcjeelZqQrFrS3LI/gz2VL222rvyeVAu3ZkRU3lPS4 1SMvLpeABNb8lVAdObum =jaDG -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Apple-Mail=_3A13DB81-56E4-44A9-ADEF-BAE52192DE8B--