From owner-svn-ports-head@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 13 07:12:30 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: svn-ports-head@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6A0B1634 for ; Wed, 13 Aug 2014 07:12:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-oi0-f52.google.com (mail-oi0-f52.google.com [209.85.218.52]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 31FF62B0B for ; Wed, 13 Aug 2014 07:12:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-oi0-f52.google.com with SMTP id h136so7347433oig.39 for ; Wed, 13 Aug 2014 00:12:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=H4vyoKIFH4nDLJrg59uVB+Fi350RGm2LnGKo0NuO9DE=; b=LiYVnm2YD6ffoI63mYhH4zHHx+epYuOFke1MCTZy3MhnO6pxTSNZ0tVyF8h2UUAm8D 0mxnSx1f4JoCEn+kRUiHDv8ZmkmsEPMNYKvW5OSyzUqoRvscAYfSU5gN5WaHifObofqn 79QOuaHqeGhCGiW5oJs+DO3QlskKfSFhi0ejuVaiPa5+S66PInS6geWG2nW0tLG2OIKL fEcbv2U7MoaCLNlUDaP0dU5254aSY/NTADbWhD6Q0fx8IqKn+tdcApi2lDReZ+M0y2zi J8NRJWqDFrVyFE3bkigc61cilD4o08mH5oflcionbPreJTNneaJ69cr7nKkSt1WSWJdh nJoQ== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQkYdsfcLJ4YliLmqBgK0IKY4soUJAAiFMjSsaTFEjKncFNRGJrsktCXZ8clhizTEmbVw7o8 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.60.58.36 with SMTP id n4mr2618313oeq.73.1407913531334; Wed, 13 Aug 2014 00:05:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.182.204.37 with HTTP; Wed, 13 Aug 2014 00:05:31 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <201408122006.s7CK5o3U039963@slippy.cwsent.com> References: <53EA6EBB.2010802@marino.st> <201408122006.s7CK5o3U039963@slippy.cwsent.com> Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2014 09:05:31 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: svn commit: r364739 - in head: . sysutils sysutils/syslog-ng-devel sysutils/syslog-ng-devel/files From: =?UTF-8?B?Q3phbmlrLCBQw6l0ZXI=?= To: Cy Schubert Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Cc: svn-ports-head@freebsd.org, svn-ports-all@freebsd.org, marino@freebsd.org, ports-committers@freebsd.org, Cy Schubert , Peter Czanik X-BeenThere: svn-ports-head@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: SVN commit messages for the ports tree for head List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2014 07:12:30 -0000 Hi, On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 10:05 PM, Cy Schubert wrote: > In message <53EA6EBB.2010802@marino.st>, John Marino writes: >> On 8/12/2014 21:39, Cy Schubert wrote: >> > Author: cy >> > Date: Tue Aug 12 19:39:33 2014 >> > New Revision: 364739 >> > URL: http://svnweb.freebsd.org/changeset/ports/364739 >> > QAT: https://qat.redports.org/buildarchive/r364739/ >> > >> > Log: >> > Reintroduce syslog-ng-devel for 3.6.0alpha2. >> > >> > Submitted by: Peter Czanik (syslog-ng upli >> ne) >> >> >> Do Ports really need alpha quality -devel ports in the collection? >> >> If it were up to me I'd purge 90% of our -devel ports. I tried to start >> a conversation about a policy for these with portmgr, but as usual, only >> one person responded. I'd still like to have that conversation though. >> This -devel port trend is disturbing. > > Some people actually use this stuff, bleeding edge -CURRENT with bleeding > edge ports. If people want to try out and test new software on the latest > -CURRENT, by the time the rest of us use the release-ready versions most of > the bugs have been ironed out. At the expense of a little repo bloat our > upline and users receive a better product in the end. That's it. Our users are asking for the alpha releases to be easily available, as they need some of the new features. So I prepare Linux packages and FreeBSD ports, as building from source without package management is not acceptable for most users. And it's also good for us, syslog-ng upstream, as most of the development is done on Linux, and having alpha releases in FreeBSD helps to keep syslog-ng multi-platform. Any Linux only code surfaces easily when I start packaging for FreeBSD :) Once the -devel port is mature enough (after a few maintenance releases) it is moved to sysutils/syslog-ng and the old syslog-ng port is moved to a versioned port, like sysutils/syslog-ng34. The 3.3 version is reaching end of life soon, so that port will be removed later this year, or early next year. Bye, -- Peter Czanik (CzP) BalaBit IT Security / syslog-ng upstream http://czanik.blogs.balabit.com/ https://twitter.com/PCzanik