From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Sep 26 10:32:15 1995 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id KAA13744 for chat-outgoing; Tue, 26 Sep 1995 10:32:15 -0700 Received: from phaeton.artisoft.com (phaeton.Artisoft.COM [198.17.250.211]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id KAA13734 for ; Tue, 26 Sep 1995 10:32:10 -0700 Received: (from terry@localhost) by phaeton.artisoft.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id KAA07825; Tue, 26 Sep 1995 10:28:41 -0700 From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199509261728.KAA07825@phaeton.artisoft.com> Subject: Re: ports startup scripts To: nate@rocky.sri.MT.net (Nate Williams) Date: Tue, 26 Sep 1995 10:28:41 -0700 (MST) Cc: terry@lambert.org, nate@rocky.sri.MT.net, kelly@fsl.noaa.gov, freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199509260349.VAA12578@rocky.sri.MT.net> from "Nate Williams" at Sep 25, 95 09:49:43 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 729 Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > > An easy argument to make, with no administrative utilities present, but > > not a valid one. > > Until decent administrative utilities are present, it will continue to > be a requirement of a 'normal' user. Don't put the cart before the > horse. The horse is a machine-administratable setup (which is what I'm arguing for) that pulls the tool cart behind it. If I write an administration tool that uses a particular layout, will you modify the layout to conform to the tools needs? That seems to be the only argument that will make the layout the "cart" and the tools the "horse". Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers.