From owner-freebsd-cluster Thu Dec 12 21:23:58 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-cluster@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B5BF37B401 for ; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 21:23:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailrelay2.lanl.gov (mailrelay2.lanl.gov [128.165.4.103]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C03B443ED8 for ; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 21:23:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rminnich@lanl.gov) Received: from ccs.lanl.gov (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mailrelay2.lanl.gov (8.12.3/8.12.3/(ccn-5)) with SMTP id gBD5Nsgp010543 for ; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 22:23:54 -0700 Received: (qmail 1810 invoked from network); 12 Dec 2002 22:23:53 -0700 Received: from unknown (HELO carotid.ccs.lanl.gov) (128.165.148.162) by 128.165.148.1 with SMTP; 12 Dec 2002 22:23:53 -0700 Received: (qmail 22725 invoked by uid 3499); 12 Dec 2002 22:23:53 -0700 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 12 Dec 2002 22:23:53 -0700 Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 22:23:53 -0700 (MST) From: "Ronald G. Minnich" X-X-Sender: rminnich@carotid.ccs.lanl.gov To: Mike Hoskins Cc: freebsd-cluster@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: (long, warm & fuzzy) Re: sharing files within a cluster In-Reply-To: <20021212133117.D2430-100000@fubar.adept.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-cluster@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, 12 Dec 2002, Mike Hoskins wrote: > Please understand that this state of "teed off" is, for the most part, > what BSD advocates feel like all the time... I'm familiar with it. I was one. > I think some of the rendering farms that have been BSD based, while > possibly not showing an area uniquely suited to BSD, do clearly show that > there would be plenty of demand for BSD clusters. that's not so convincing, because if there would be plenty of demand we would see it. We should be seeing it. Again, you have to look at where those third-party apps are -- compilers and so on. And, sadly, it's not on freebsd. > The same was said for M$ when Linux was born. :) It's funny that many of > the arguments that are now made for Linux have historically been made for > Windows. I really hope M$ doesn't decide to muck around in the Linux > world as they've implied... They could only make things worse. (Granted, > there would be lots of money invested.) To a joe average user, the guy who buys the boxes, the difference between freebsd and linux is ... well, what precisely. They're both pretty good. So, the key question: what's the compelling advantage of freebsd for the guy who writes the checks. How would running freebsd make life better? The move to "some open source Unix" from "some really expensive Unix" was a clear win ten years ago. But the move from "some open source Unix" to "some other open source Unix" is a really hard sell. So, what would freebsd do to make a cluster person's life better, given that they will give up a lot? That's what we would have to answer. ron To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-cluster" in the body of the message