From owner-svn-ports-all@freebsd.org Fri Sep 9 10:06:20 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: svn-ports-all@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D58BBD41BE; Fri, 9 Sep 2016 10:06:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gahr@FreeBSD.org) Received: from mail.ptrcrt.ch (gahr.cloud.tilaa.com [84.22.109.158]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8042D799; Fri, 9 Sep 2016 10:06:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gahr@FreeBSD.org) Received: from webmail.ptrcrt.ch (www.gahr.ch [192.168.1.2]) by mail.ptrcrt.ch (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTPSA id 0d159557 TLS version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128 verify=NO; Fri, 9 Sep 2016 10:06:08 +0000 (UTC) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Fri, 09 Sep 2016 12:06:08 +0200 From: Pietro Cerutti To: koobs@freebsd.org Cc: Alexey Dokuchaev , Baptiste Daroussin , Dmitry Marakasov , ports-committers@freebsd.org, svn-ports-all@freebsd.org, svn-ports-head@freebsd.org, owner-ports-committers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: svn commit: r421549 - in head: . Mk Organization: The FreeBSD Project In-Reply-To: <67ffba7b-f2ae-c0b0-b3d7-3b854e74cd85@FreeBSD.org> References: <201609081315.u88DF6vL044982@repo.freebsd.org> <190e2ef5-0f8c-efc3-bca1-7e5b541d3733@FreeBSD.org> <20160909062630.hofrsvjajt2wcel4@ivaldir.etoilebsd.net> <99cd3ec3-da27-f989-97c2-c009ea80c37c@FreeBSD.org> <20160909083558.GA79819@FreeBSD.org> <67ffba7b-f2ae-c0b0-b3d7-3b854e74cd85@FreeBSD.org> Message-ID: <81b654069a4522c68711057339151841@gahr.ch> X-Sender: gahr@FreeBSD.org User-Agent: Roundcube Webmail/1.2.0 X-BeenThere: svn-ports-all@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: SVN commit messages for the ports tree List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 09 Sep 2016 10:06:20 -0000 On 2016-09-09 10:57, Kubilay Kocak wrote: > On 9/09/2016 6:35 PM, Alexey Dokuchaev wrote: >> On Fri, Sep 09, 2016 at 06:29:33PM +1000, Kubilay Kocak wrote: >>> On 9/09/2016 4:26 PM, Baptiste Daroussin wrote: >>>> In both case that means there is NO license and then we should >>>> not distribute them at all. >>> >>> There are cases where software has no license, the author says so, >>> but they mean, and/or say 'free to do with what you please'. This >>> is neither NONE, nor undefined (in terms of the 'terms'), nor PD, >>> nor 'empty(LICENSE)'. >> >> That's why I prefer something along >> UNCLEAR/MOOT/VAGUE/CONTROVERSIAL/etc. to cover all those "weird" >> cases and be done with it. >> >> ./danfe >> > > And precisely why UNDEFINED was suggested over NONE. > > The reason for UNDEFINED over others? Not as prescriptive or > subjective. > More inclusive (better coverage/utility). Which is likely the problem here. As this thread clearly shows, the lack of an explicit license could mean different things depending on different factors, including i) who you're talking to, ii) the country where the software was developed or resides, iii) others UNKNOWN to me. Ultimately, a court could state the exact meaning of the lack of a license, but we don't want to get there for every single piece of abandonware that's not declaring a license. UNDEFINED is wrong. The license could well be defined by laws even if not defined in the source code. The fact that we do not know what the lack of license means makes me feel safer with UNKNOWN than with UNDEFINED. my 0.2 CHF. -- Pietro Cerutti gahr@FreeBSD.org PGP Public Key: http://gahr.ch/pgp