From owner-freebsd-current@freebsd.org Mon Feb 18 23:04:39 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA24114EEF9E for ; Mon, 18 Feb 2019 23:04:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from grembo@freebsd.org) Received: from mail.grem.de (outcast.grem.de [213.239.217.27]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 59CC48A23A for ; Mon, 18 Feb 2019 23:04:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from grembo@freebsd.org) Received: (qmail 85254 invoked by uid 89); 18 Feb 2019 23:04:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?100.87.89.213?) (mg@grem.de@109.41.194.37) by mail.grem.de with ESMTPA; 18 Feb 2019 23:04:31 -0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Subject: Re: What is evdev and autoloading? From: Michael Gmelin X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (16D39) In-Reply-To: <20190218225407.GA7187@lonesome.com> Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2019 00:04:20 +0100 Cc: "Rodney W. Grimes" , Warner Losh , Baptiste Daroussin , Niclas Zeising , "freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org" , Stefan Blachmann , FreeBSD Current , Steve Kargl , Vladimir Kondratyev Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <21E2EBA6-F4EE-4608-B2EA-AF731F892583@freebsd.org> References: <201902181650.x1IGoRsZ006131@pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net> <20190218225407.GA7187@lonesome.com> To: Mark Linimon X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 59CC48A23A X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.97 / 15.00]; local_wl_from(0.00)[freebsd.org]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-0.999,0]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-0.999,0]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.97)[-0.968,0]; ASN(0.00)[asn:24940, ipnet:213.239.192.0/18, country:DE] X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 18 Feb 2019 23:44:47 +0000 X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2019 23:04:39 -0000 > On 18. Feb 2019, at 23:54, Mark Linimon wrote: >=20 >> On Mon, Feb 18, 2019 at 08:50:27AM -0800, Rodney W. Grimes wrote: >> I think one serious problem here is the summary dismissal of things >> simply on the "5 year old" basis. >=20 > IIUC the graphics changes are being forced upon FreeBSD by external > projects (mainly Linux-based) that are making huge architectural changes > that rely more and more on features from newer hardware. >=20 > If our upstreams aren't willing to do the work to keep from violating > POLA on older hardware, IMHO it's an awful lot to ask of our already > thinly stretched graphics volunteers to provide it in their stead. >=20 > w/rt graphics, we are at far more danger of being left further and > further behind on modern hardware than we are at risk of losing users > on older hardware here. >=20 > Again all IMHO. >=20 > disclaimer: I don't use any fancy graphics stuff, so (as the old folks > say around here) I=E2=80=99m very happy (and grateful) that 2018 was the first year in over a= decade I was able to run FreeBSD on a state of the art laptop with all the f= eatures that are essential to me working - which included decent touchpad su= pport provided through evdev+libinput. -m