From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 4 14:04:35 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C2FB16A4DD for ; Fri, 4 Aug 2006 14:04:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) Received: from smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (ns0.infracaninophile.co.uk [81.187.76.162]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FCA543D45 for ; Fri, 4 Aug 2006 14:04:33 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) Received: from [IPv6:::1] (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k74E48Lm010040; Fri, 4 Aug 2006 15:04:08 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) Authentication-Results: smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk from=m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk; sender-id=softfail; spf=softfail X-SenderID: Sendmail Sender-ID Filter v0.2.14 smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk k74E48Lm010040 Message-ID: <44D353D2.5060104@infracaninophile.co.uk> Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2006 15:04:02 +0100 From: Matthew Seaman Organization: Infracaninophile User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.5 (X11/20060801) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: richard.mayo@sri.com References: In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 0.94.0.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig817C20764777AAFE221B7DAB" X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk [IPv6:::1]); Fri, 04 Aug 2006 15:04:28 +0100 (BST) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.88.3/1634/Wed Aug 2 23:32:49 2006 on happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,NO_RELAYS autolearn=ham version=3.1.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.3 (2006-06-01) on happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: FreeBSD from Scratch X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2006 14:04:35 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig817C20764777AAFE221B7DAB Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Rich Mayo wrote: > Is anyone on the list familiar with the "Linux from Scratch" project? > More to the point, is anybody aware if there is anything like a "FreeBS= D > from Scratch" project?? As I understand it, Linux from Scratch is all about building a Linux box without using the packaging etc. provided by any of the various Linux distributions. The challenge is to take all of the source code from all of the various development groups and integrate it into a working system yourself. The concept doesn't really map onto FreeBSD. The OS -- kernel, system libraries, standard applications -- is developed as a unified thing. There aren't really any alternate distributions in the same sense as there are for Linux, although projects like Freesbie, pfsense and DesktopBSD are heading in that sort of direction. Once you've downloaded the system sources, done a make buildworld etc., installed everything and rebooted[*], that's it: done. You've got a working FreeBSD system. Which kind of takes away the point of the 'from Scratch' idea. It's too easy... Third party software installed from ports is literally compiling from source code as Linux from Scratch advocates -- OK, software installed from ports does get registered in the pkg system, and it can be bundled up into a pkg tarball and copied to another machine to be installed there (which is exactly what the packages are on the FreeBSD FTP sites).= But that's just an aid to keeping things properly maintained. Either every FreeBSD box is 'FreeBSD from Scratch' or none of them are.=20 Cheers, Matthew [*] Actually, it's a little more involved than that, and of course you should follow the detailed instructions in the handbook. But that's the general gist. --=20 Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 7 Priory Courtyard Flat 3 PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Ramsgate Kent, CT11 9PW --------------enig817C20764777AAFE221B7DAB Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (FreeBSD) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFE01PX8Mjk52CukIwRCAEiAKCVGvDzVwNoMqo3DsmZyWK2kjOwbwCghFs7 5fpwQR769DKGrSrDS1JCRCg= =7WIK -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enig817C20764777AAFE221B7DAB--