From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 5 16:51:46 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04DCF106564A for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2011 16:51:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from julian@freebsd.org) Received: from vps1.elischer.org (vps1.elischer.org [204.109.63.16]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6BE48FC13 for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2011 16:51:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: from julian-mac.elischer.org (home-nat.elischer.org [67.100.89.137]) (authenticated bits=0) by vps1.elischer.org (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p15GpaC9036919 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sat, 5 Feb 2011 08:51:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from julian@freebsd.org) Message-ID: <4D4D801A.8050900@freebsd.org> Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2011 08:51:38 -0800 From: Julian Elischer User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X 10.4; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101207 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Donald Allen References: <201102051534.54590.hselasky@c2i.net> <201102051628.28754.hselasky@c2i.net> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-current@freebsd.org, freebsd-usb@freebsd.org, Hans Petter Selasky Subject: Re: Intermittent pauses copying from one usb drive to another X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2011 16:51:46 -0000 On 2/5/11 8:28 AM, Donald Allen wrote: > On Sat, Feb 5, 2011 at 10:28 AM, Hans Petter Selaskywrote: > >> On Saturday 05 February 2011 16:18:56 Donald Allen wrote: >>> Does whoever is responsible for CAM/SCSI >>> know about this and do you know if there are plans to fix it? What is the >>> point of "supporting" USB devices (and we aren't talking about an >> odd-ball >>> device here; these are USB disks), when the "support" is partially >> broken? >> >> As far as I know there are no ongoing plans to fix this issue. Yes, we need >> to >> support the oddballs too, of course. > > Actually, I'm arguing that you (FreeBSD, not necessarily the USB layer) need > to better support the *main-stream* devices better (I care much less about > the outliers, because by definition, the quality of their support affects > far fewer people). These Toshiba drives are vanilla stuff, used by many for > backups > > >> Currently a lot of quirks have been >> pushed into the umass driver, but I guess that we need to add more quirks, >> and >> probably switch around from black-listing into white-listing, so that the >> quirks are turned on by default. >> >> Thanks for your understanding! >> > I do understand, but in some ways I don't. FreeBSD is a great system, > superior to Linux in many ways that have been discussed ad nauseum, but USB > devices, particularly disks and flash-based devices, are ubiquitous these > days, and FreeBSD's support for these devices is weak, weaker than Linux and > even OpenBSD (in my experience). This seems like a very odd place for a > gaping hole in the system, particularly after all the work you did to > re-implement the USB layer. Hans Petter, Could the USB mass storage layer not refuse to pass down some commands and just return the proscribed error? > /Don > > >> --HPS >> > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-usb@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-usb > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-usb-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >