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Date:      Sat, 05 Feb 2011 08:51:38 -0800
From:      Julian Elischer <julian@freebsd.org>
To:        Donald Allen <donaldcallen@gmail.com>
Cc:        freebsd-current@freebsd.org, freebsd-usb@freebsd.org, Hans Petter Selasky <hselasky@c2i.net>
Subject:   Re: Intermittent pauses copying from one usb drive to another
Message-ID:  <4D4D801A.8050900@freebsd.org>
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=ppQSq1c4u8iYL7Tvh9QDG-1z3nWM=677E7=gW@mail.gmail.com>
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On 2/5/11 8:28 AM, Donald Allen wrote:
> On Sat, Feb 5, 2011 at 10:28 AM, Hans Petter Selasky<hselasky@c2i.net>wrote:
>
>> On Saturday 05 February 2011 16:18:56 Donald Allen wrote:
>>> Does whoever is responsible for CAM/SCSI
>>> know about this and do you know if there are plans to fix it? What is the
>>> point of "supporting" USB devices (and we aren't talking about an
>> odd-ball
>>> device here; these are USB disks), when the "support" is partially
>> broken?
>>
>> As far as I know there are no ongoing plans to fix this issue. Yes, we need
>> to
>> support the oddballs too, of course.
>
> Actually, I'm arguing that you (FreeBSD, not necessarily the USB layer) need
> to better support the *main-stream* devices better (I care much less about
> the outliers, because by definition, the quality of their support affects
> far fewer people). These Toshiba drives are vanilla stuff, used by many for
> backups
>
>
>> Currently a lot of quirks have been
>> pushed into the umass driver, but I guess that we need to add more quirks,
>> and
>> probably switch around from black-listing into white-listing, so that the
>> quirks are turned on by default.
>>
>> Thanks for your understanding!
>>
> I do understand, but in some ways I don't. FreeBSD is a great system,
> superior to Linux in many ways that have been discussed ad nauseum, but USB
> devices, particularly disks and flash-based devices, are ubiquitous these
> days, and FreeBSD's support for these devices is weak, weaker than Linux and
> even OpenBSD (in my experience). This seems like a very odd place for a
> gaping hole in the system, particularly after all the work you did to
> re-implement the USB layer.
Hans Petter,
Could the USB  mass storage layer not refuse to pass down some commands
and just return the proscribed error?

> /Don
>
>
>> --HPS
>>
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