From owner-svn-src-all@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Mar 5 18:21:17 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: svn-src-all@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1DC6DC63; Thu, 5 Mar 2015 18:21:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: from testsoekris.hotsoft.nl (unknown [IPv6:2001:888:1227:0:200:24ff:fec9:5934]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CA2E426E; Thu, 5 Mar 2015 18:21:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: from beastie.hotsoft.nl (beastie.hotsoft.nl [IPv6:2001:888:1227:0:219:d1ff:fee8:91eb]) by testsoekris.hotsoft.nl (8.14.7/8.14.7) with ESMTP id t25ILBq9034717; Thu, 5 Mar 2015 19:21:11 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from hans@beastielabs.net) Message-ID: <54F89E97.9040203@beastielabs.net> Date: Thu, 05 Mar 2015 19:21:11 +0100 From: Hans Ottevanger User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Slawa Olhovchenkov , Gleb Smirnoff Subject: Re: svn commit: r279603 - in head: bin/rcp usr.bin/rlogin usr.bin/rsh References: <201503042201.t24M1jDG009278@svn.freebsd.org> <20150305114828.GK17947@FreeBSD.org> <20150305122103.GA90978@zxy.spb.ru> In-Reply-To: <20150305122103.GA90978@zxy.spb.ru> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: svn-src-head@freebsd.org, Baptiste Daroussin , src-committers@freebsd.org, svn-src-all@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: svn-src-all@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: "SVN commit messages for the entire src tree \(except for " user" and " projects" \)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 05 Mar 2015 18:21:17 -0000 On 03/05/15 13:21, Slawa Olhovchenkov wrote: > On Thu, Mar 05, 2015 at 02:48:29PM +0300, Gleb Smirnoff wrote: > >> On Wed, Mar 04, 2015 at 10:01:45PM +0000, Baptiste Daroussin wrote: >> B> Author: bapt >> B> Date: Wed Mar 4 22:01:44 2015 >> B> New Revision: 279603 >> B> URL: https://svnweb.freebsd.org/changeset/base/279603 >> B> >> B> Log: >> B> r* commands are not precious anymore >> B> >> B> Modified: >> B> head/bin/rcp/Makefile >> B> head/usr.bin/rlogin/Makefile >> >> I guess when they are going to be not precious enough to be removed? :) >> >> In modern world of ssh and https, does any OS require them in base? > > yes. > Some telecom equipment require rlogin. > _______________________________________________ Considering that the r-commands are not particularly large and also not really a maintenance nightmare, a would just keep them. They are (still) more or less part of the standard Unix toolbox, as perceived by end-users, and you had better not make life too difficult for them. The same is true for telnet. I see these tools in use regularly, e.g. to control measurement equipment programmatically. Due to the price tag of those instruments, that won't change overnight. The usage is limited to a LAN however, nobody I know uses these tools over the public Internet anymore. As far as I know only OpenBSD got rid of these tools up to now. Most other Unix(-like) systems still have them. And if they absolutely have to go, what happens to the corresponding daemons in /usr/libexec (rshd and rlogind)? Regards, Hans