From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Aug 13 18:59:08 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D10583A9364 for ; Thu, 13 Aug 2020 18:59:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: from mail-io1-xd2e.google.com (mail-io1-xd2e.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::d2e]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4BSG7w0P3Bz4frw for ; Thu, 13 Aug 2020 18:59:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: by mail-io1-xd2e.google.com with SMTP id q75so8490888iod.1 for ; Thu, 13 Aug 2020 11:59:07 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=1bqUbk8/PHSQ8+V3RmKL63ZZLRuAR6QARzRehIMAQsc=; b=gNo3gIwmdqL8ogUdhm1VHCvh+Aas3KCp2uYTDB8Z0E6YfSRwSTEXVWTJlGBX9LPLIK 6BOWCcgI82Mab/R86nYeUJcXNsVf1dFG0uvYKxaK0zKKbCWryyv5ZkdfM75x3M7N48ul YfKBU2xbdYg36fHnbsMzNzEDblpHuk2LuDL+kAQmfqfzXmyBdcXEi0ELiiMV6tyqLYmE KSKUIRUxTUdsJns8VH1vvC1FYNnA104KnYdRql/n7szJuPawW+mgggdURWZ1zptaaiwX i0OijZok50vsHANofMahPFhtK4JpKPf6WE1D4iAqc/lpogHV97lPsMcWyOXvYuM6/+kY Z4Yg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=1bqUbk8/PHSQ8+V3RmKL63ZZLRuAR6QARzRehIMAQsc=; b=Frwr0YSizKkSBm+2MHnIDZzQif6ELxj+So+hvR1KoxXByhRpLS4Yw2xVTrlV3J5Ckt tRWWsc1MC9oISngC5g2t2PbbMBGXCJab1nLWx93HVHZtzahb4Ra2DJcPmKYiwe0RHOvC MRWuRhhEexEqFYm36grXTc4ItuSz9io+yPzxEqCyog26I7iI66SPHjFbxXlLJsZVPRwQ hfEOon2L92ZkobSOZgahB1jw185fkJDCa9TN8FjH8PmY5r2Zz2d8jwxvPyqSEyMykl4D JQis4+7uTw08JY2LYCOk/7hopZIZOYydsjbPrzujqz4ITK0+Xg1L7QtPDVbMX2Ai1e5+ RGRg== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM532PA4rkC1MJk4DFCNsvc4s/L7qUKZLXBPoSGI/sojLiaC0e9CnB eu2QRsjRMHOK1osrG8zZGkBsUY33iNZJ23pTTpuGYavE X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJw04wHEARuocUwFslzEf2/EucM5YireycIHYRb4d85qFcRVGnlAZsZrMYNp3CKxTxGv513dzgLSW7hCzwlPT9I= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6638:1313:: with SMTP id r19mr6549507jad.60.1597345145664; Thu, 13 Aug 2020 11:59:05 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Aryeh Friedman Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2020 14:58:54 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: OT: Dealing with a hosting company with it's head up it's rear end To: FreeBSD Mailing List X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4BSG7w0P3Bz4frw X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=gNo3gIwm; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of aryehfriedman@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::d2e as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=aryehfriedman@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.08 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.97)[-0.967]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20161025]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com:dkim]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36:c]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.01)[-1.006]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::d2e:from]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.11)[-0.109]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; TAGGED_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.33 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2020 18:59:08 -0000 Forgot to ask how common is such idiocy? And is it becoming more common? On Thu, Aug 13, 2020 at 2:56 PM Aryeh Friedman wrote: > The hosting company for one of our clients sent the following reply to > us/them when we asked them to setup end user accounts on a dedicated > Windows Server, FreeBSD box and CentOS box (all VM's on the same physical > machine with no other VM's on the physical machine) and being told we > needed scriptable access (not web based non-scriptable) to the windows > desktop and shell accounts (including the ability to sudo) and they agreed > to provide it: > > "[Insert client name here], we do not allow RDP or SSH into our > datacenter. They are the primary vehicles for ransomware and cryptolocker > breaches. We utilize a secure access portal with multi-factor > authentication to ensure you don't get breached." > > I kind of understand RDP (but we have had bad luck with VNC on the same > hosting provider in the past so we prefer RDP), but SSH!?!?!?!?! Their > idea of a "two factor" authentication is each connection will only be > allowed via a web portal and must use a one-time password sent the users > smartphone. Not only does this make automated deploy impossible it is a > complete show stopper since our service is IoT and uses its own custom > protocol. > > So how do we/the client tell the hosting company they are full of sh*t > (the client has a 3 year contract with a pay in full to break clause with > them which would be over $100k to break) > > -- > Aryeh M. Friedman, Lead Developer, http://www.PetiteCloud.org > -- Aryeh M. Friedman, Lead Developer, http://www.PetiteCloud.org