Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 17:03:39 -0700 (PDT) From: <nathan@khmere.com> To: "Brandon D. Valentine" <bandix@geekpunk.net> Cc: Rik van Riel <riel@conectiva.com.br>, <chat@FreeBSD.ORG> Subject: Re: Why did FreeBSD fail? Message-ID: <20020820164431.D6449-100000@ns1.khmere.com> In-Reply-To: <20020820181648.S276-100000@taran>
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All I can say is wow, I have been user of FreeBSD for over 6 years. I have also been monitoring these lists for almost that same amount of time. I very seldom post, but these past few months have really made me upset and dissapointed. I have never seen such abuse by trolls. I have to agree with Mr. Valentine and also would like to say to the hackers: "please keep on working". I am positive that their are many people out thier who appreciate the valuable time and effort that the hackers put into FreeBSD. I know I do ! Why even have a discussion about these trolls and waste time. Just ignore them and they will go away, maybe they will go and bother the linux people :-) ! FreeBSD is not dead, none of the *BSD's are, and they are *not* failures ! -nb On Tue, 20 Aug 2002, Brandon D. Valentine wrote: >[ Redirected to -chat from -hackers; I'm not on -chat, keep me Cc'd. ] > >On Tue, 20 Aug 2002, Rik van Riel wrote: > >> On Tue, 20 Aug 2002, Mosko Bilekic wrote: >> >> > Gentlemen, it's time to explain why FreeBSD is such a >> > failure. >> >> Maybe it's because the developers prefer to spend their >> time and energy on gossip instead of technical issues ? >> >> No wait, those aren't the developers, can't be. Please >> tell me those aren't really the developers... > >Those most certainly aren't the developers. I will go so far to say >with great confidence that the people trolling the list have never >written a decently impressive piece of code in their lives. > >The Internet was once a place where hackers could go about their >business without being troubled by such lameness. Unfortunately, the >rest of society has jumped onto the Internet and brought their baggage >with them. Occasionally one of these non-hackers finds their way into a >technical forum and is disappointed when they're made to feel excluded >or inferior. They come to the Internet with the misguided notion that >they are somehow entitled to some sort of respect or status -- either >because they consider themselves of some import in the real world or >because they feel that the Internet is their opportunity to grab the >piece of the popularity pie that has been denied to them thusfar in >life. Most of them experience a rude awakening when the technical forum >doesn't even stop to notice them and they become very bitter and >vindictive about this perceived "mistreatment". They go so far as to >engage in activities such as trolling which drain the community's most >valuable resources: it's communication channels and the time of the >hackers therein. > >Behavior of this sort has become the unfortunate and quite obnoxious >norm. What this influx of laypeople fail to realize is that the hackers >who built and maintain this network built it as a tool for their own >ends and have little time to care about the needs of the many. If a >non-technical person needs help the prevailing attitude is and should be >that that individual can pay for his support. This sense of entitlement >to attention, respect or status among non-hackers is a byproduct of a >societal emphasis on political correctness and subjectivism. It's >annoying. VERY annoying. The engineering community is, has always >been, and always should and shall be a meritocracy. There can be no >other way. > >To the trolls I say this: go ahead and feel insulted that nobody paid >attention to you. Go ahead and pout. Feel excluded if you must. >Nobody excluded you on the basis of who you are. Nobody excluded you >because you weren't on the guest list or someone didn't like you. You >were excluded for the plain and simple reason that you have yet to >demonstrate your worth. You're not entitled to anything. If you want >to be part of the club, write some code. We're not elitists, we're >practical. Our time is limited. We won't pay attention to you until >you bother to demonstrate that you are worth our time. Trolling a >mailing list might make you feel good, but nobody cares. Most of us hit >delete and kept going without giving it a second thought. If you want >people to pay attention to you, write good code or shut the fuck up. > >Brandon D. Valentine >-- >http://www.geekpunk.net bandix@geekpunk.net >++[>++++++<-]>[<++++++>-]<.>++++[>+++++<-]>[<+++++>-]<+.+++++++..++ >+.>>+++++[<++++++>-]<++.<<+++++++++++++++.>.+++.------.--------.>+. > > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message > ************************************************************************************ "The captain said weigh anchor,I said why should I ? it says 1/2 ton right there " - Benny Hill ************************************************************************************* To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message
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