From owner-svn-ports-head@freebsd.org Tue Jul 2 16:14:04 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: svn-ports-head@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39A5F15D784F; Tue, 2 Jul 2019 16:14:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from danfe@freebsd.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [96.47.72.132]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "freefall.freebsd.org", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D53158C638; Tue, 2 Jul 2019 16:14:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from danfe@freebsd.org) Received: by freefall.freebsd.org (Postfix, from userid 1033) id AE2251262A; Tue, 2 Jul 2019 16:14:03 +0000 (UTC) Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2019 16:14:03 +0000 From: Alexey Dokuchaev To: Kubilay Kocak Cc: Torsten Zuehlsdorff , ports-committers@freebsd.org, svn-ports-all , svn-ports-head Subject: Re: svn commit: r504590 - in head/net: samba46 samba47 samba48 Message-ID: <20190702161403.GA67797@FreeBSD.org> References: <20190702102316.wv6w5u2ilfaw6vrd@atuin.in.mat.cc> <20190702111647.vozqzf4gnqbajvcl@atuin.in.mat.cc> <20190702142827.120588a0@kalimero.tijl.coosemans.org> <122bd115-6a91-bf50-f23a-75871d193cb7@FreeBSD.org> <2f784971-9a27-d904-4d04-52a620db0a3e@toco-domains.de> <6e7e1418-8a5e-d5f2-3cbc-69a224549241@FreeBSD.org> <20190702154834.GA20858@FreeBSD.org> <8ba4ce85-dc67-ee9a-9767-bcdee3f217d1@FreeBSD.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <8ba4ce85-dc67-ee9a-9767-bcdee3f217d1@FreeBSD.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.11.4 (2019-03-13) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: D53158C638 X-Spamd-Bar: ------ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-6.92 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.99)[-0.987,0]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.93)[-0.934,0]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; REPLY(-4.00)[] X-BeenThere: svn-ports-head@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: SVN commit messages for the ports tree for head List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Jul 2019 16:14:04 -0000 On Wed, Jul 03, 2019 at 02:02:04AM +1000, Kubilay Kocak wrote: > On 3/07/2019 1:48 am, Alexey Dokuchaev wrote: > > The correct way out of this mess is what had been said before on numerous > > occasion: stable/security/quarterly branches should be operated by ports- > > secteam@ or however it's called, not by the individual committers. This > > would solve *all* the problems of what and how to merge because dedicated > > team would know better and coordinate its action only within itself. > > What and how to merge is obvious, it just hasn't been communicated > effectively, consistently or clearly enough, unless individuals ask on > their own accord, which benefits noone other than that individual. > > Not only does ports-secteam, or any other separate team not have an > understanding of the commits/software/changes that the committer of that > change presumably did, but they also couldn't scale effectively enough > to do so even if we wanted them to. It's not ports-secteams job beyond > cursory review/approval on security only changes. They have said this > themselves. I understand that teams are understaffed, but I simply don't see how this branches thing can work when they're not managed by a dedicated, be it small or large group of people (not necessarily secteam@ or portmgr@). Right now I really don't see *any* benefit of why would I want to track quarterly branches because the way they're currently managed makes them no more stable, better, or less chaotic than -head, only more stale. ./danfe