Date: Fri, 02 Jul 2004 10:56:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Nicole <nicole@unixgirl.com> To: freebsd-jobs@freebsd.org Cc: Lee Crites <lee@critesclan.com> Subject: Re: Resourceful BSD/Linux Network Administrator Message-ID: <XFMail.040702105654.nicole@unixgirl.com> In-Reply-To: <200407020926.31217@cmav>
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On 02-Jul-04 My Homeland Security Spies reported that Lee Crites said: > On Friday July 2 2004 04:12, Paul Robinson wrote: >> Translation: we're going to work you like a dog and not apologise for it or >> even thank you for dealing with the chaotic sh**hole that is our company. >> Also, note the lack of details relating to remuneration. So they're going >> to pay you close to nothing to boot. And it requires you to move to New >> Jersey! >> These guys really aren't selling this position, and personally I'm offended >> that they think the people on freebsd-jobs would be anything but >> professional in their approach, and need to be reminded that they shouldn't >> "coast". >> >> Is there a perception out there that we're all looking to sit around >> picking our noses whilst reading slashdot? Well.. yea. When was the last time you tried to hire a sysadmin? Especially to work for a small company that perhaps isn't on the top of the pay scale. Frankly the time of a company having to "sell" a position is still gone. Its you grok unix? You want eat? Why we hire you? Ug. > I honestly do not believe this is a general opinion of FreeBSD folks. I think perhaps you are taking it too personally. > There is a psychological axiom that goes something like this: People tend to > blame/accuse others of what they, themselves, are guilty of. See above. Works both ways doesn't it =] > I'm sure all of us have seen this in action on numerous occasions. The person > who constantly complains about how everyone else is a jerk is actually the > biggest jerk you know -- that kind of thing. Basically, whenever I see > someone jump out and start scattering accusations like this particular > posting did, I don't take it personally, because I see in it a description of > the poster, not, in this case, the people they are sending it do. I see it as someone who is trying to fill a position and is perhaps using the "are you up for a challenge" approach. Are you good enough? That sort of thing. Yes this may scare off a few people who will not read it that way but it sounds like he's a bit frustrated. The last time I had to hire someone out of 300 applications NONE ran a BSD or any other Nix box at home. As far as they were concerned if it wasn't in their colleges lab, or at their last employer it didn't exist. Many said or implied "If the company expects me to learn something then they will teach me or send me to school or at the very least buy my books or training manuals." Ask them if they read up on things and yes many will say, "well I read slash dot." (see above) > And it appears that you (Paul) picked up on a lot of that, but just didn't > take it to it's completed conclusion. You picked up on the chaotic work > environment and such, but didn't pick up on the mindset/personality traits of > your prospective employer. Asside from big companies that have 2-3 employee's for every position, most companies I have seen or known have been chaotic in their own way. Today especially it's a sad thing but most companies want someone who has no life. Who lives for their job and feels glad to have one. It used to be people could say no I won't do on-call. Or I'm an admin I don't wake up that early. Today it could mean eating or not. > They are demanding someone the level of Greg Lehey who can come in and clean > up their dump, all the while possibly treating him like dirt. I mean, look at > one of the comments you didn't quote: "there will be no place to hide." Again a scare tactic to weed out those looking for a comfy job. Frankly I think that the biggest problem is many of our ages. As we get older we expect experience to count for more, our work to be a little less and our tolerance for idiots much decreased. Yes their are those companies who will bleed through good admins becouse they keep expecting the super admin who can do anything even before their idiotic deadlines and just loves to work work work and be happy with the little bit of money they get. Generally I call them eager JR Admins. A rare breed. But whom take that experience and then leave the idiots behind. I suspect most of us have been there. > I didn't even bother sending them a reply, even though it's the kind of > position I'd love to have. (although I would NOT like to live in NJ) Well, if it's the position you would love to have what are you afraid of? Sadly your letting first impressions decide for you. If we let first impressions guide us many of us might not be BSD admins or even have an Significant Other. =] >> We're FreeBSD admins. Not MCSEs or Linux admins. > > Cute... No we are Admins. Most managers could not give a crap what we run as long as it works. BSD admins are a special breed however I will give you that. Nicole Not trying to piss in anyones wheaties, just add perspective. > Lee > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-jobs@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-jobs > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-jobs-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" -- ******* |\ __ /| (`\ ******* * * | o_o |__ ) ) * * * * // \\ * * * Blessed Be! | Powered by FreeBSD * ----------------------(((---(((-------------------------------- http://www.unixgirl.com - http://www.deviantimages.com http://www.nonsenseband.com Just becouse some goverment person may have done something bad doesn't make it OK for someone else to do it now! I'm sick and tired of that as an excuse. Being a politician is not a get out of jail card! --Me We are star stuff... We are the universe trying to figure itself out. --Delenn, "Babylon 5" You really get what you pay for. The problem is finding something that is worth what you paid for it. *** Spam Sucks and I get tons of it. 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