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* Crist J. Clark <cjclark@reflexnet.net> [001219 02:52]:
> On Mon, Dec 18, 2000 at 11:27:52AM -0800, John Howie wrote:

> > I find the references (here and elsewhere) to stupid users as
> > troubling.  Most users are inexperienced, not stupid, and are
> > certainly not clued up on Security. 

Do I care? Look, you don't give assault rifles to morons, right?  Then
why do you let them use technology they are simply too stupid for?
People die in friendly fire, and that's ok. But who is holding whom
responsible for the millions (billions) of $CURRENCY of damage caused by
mindless lusers clicking away at everything that says "big tits inside"?

[Opening obviously tainted attachments]
> Actually, I think it is not just stupidity but two factors, (1)
> stupidity and (2) the nothing-bad-would-ever-happen-to-me mindset. I
> think they are the same people who never wear seatbelts 'cause they
> are good drivers and they'll never be in an accident. Grade A, Darwin
> Award Winning Idiots.

Skip (2). Our  Acceptable Use Policy says "if you do this, you're fired
NQA". Doesn't help.

> > It is easy to blame one or more of users, programmers, and
> > administrators for weak security but until we have the science
> > perfected we all have to work together.
> 
> Nah, I could get the computers at the office into some really tight,
> secure shape if it weren't for the damn humans they tell me I have to
> let use them.

I second that. Oh, anyone got a Microsoft-virus scanner for OpenBSD and
qmail. And a bucket for me, please?


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