From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG  Mon Sep  5 04:42:29 2005
Return-Path: <owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG>
X-Original-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org
Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org
Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125])
	by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B01016A41F
	for <freebsd-current@freebsd.org>; Mon,  5 Sep 2005 04:42:29 +0000 (GMT)
	(envelope-from dmp@bitfreak.org)
Received: from mail.bitfreak.org (mail.bitfreak.org [65.75.198.146])
	by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FE5543D45
	for <freebsd-current@freebsd.org>; Mon,  5 Sep 2005 04:42:29 +0000 (GMT)
	(envelope-from dmp@bitfreak.org)
Received: from SMILEY (mail.bitfreak.org [65.75.198.146])
	by mail.bitfreak.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1AF5E19F3B;
	Sun,  4 Sep 2005 21:46:09 -0700 (PDT)
From: "Darren Pilgrim" <dmp@bitfreak.org>
To: "'Pascal Hofstee'" <caelian@gmail.com>
Date: Sun, 4 Sep 2005 21:42:27 -0700
Message-ID: <000701c5b1d4$387bd5b0$642a15ac@SMILEY>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain;
	charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
X-Priority: 3 (Normal)
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626
In-Reply-To: <1125882773.79165.7.camel@synergy.charterpipeline.net.lan>
Importance: Normal
X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527
Cc: =?iso-8859-1?Q?'Patrick_Lamaizi=E8re'?= <patfbsdc@davenulle.org>,
	freebsd-current@freebsd.org
Subject: RE: [6.0 beta3] problem with cvsup and wifi (iwi)
X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5
Precedence: list
List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current
	<freebsd-current.freebsd.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-current>, 
	<mailto:freebsd-current-request@freebsd.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-current>
List-Post: <mailto:freebsd-current@freebsd.org>
List-Help: <mailto:freebsd-current-request@freebsd.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-current>,
	<mailto:freebsd-current-request@freebsd.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 05 Sep 2005 04:42:29 -0000

> From: Pascal Hofstee [mailto:caelian@gmail.com] 
> 
> On Sun, 2005-09-04 at 18:07 -0700, Darren Pilgrim wrote:
> > There is an issue with either the iwi driver or Damien Bergamini's 
> > firmware that result in the device crashing and/or losing 
> the network 
> > under heavy packet load.  I'm having the same issue here with the 
> > 2915. I can trigger it using cvsup or SSH-forwarded X sessions.
> 
> i am not exactly knowlegable on the matter .. but considering 
> i experience the same cvsup behavior on my if_ral interface 
> .. i am more inclined to believe it's an issue somewhere in 
> the underlying framework than it is in a specific driver.

Except that it doesn't happen when I use my ath card.  If it is the
framework, I'd be more inclined toward it being the result of iwi, iwp
and ral being newer, externally maintained and less tightly integrated
with net80211.

I seem to recall Sam Leffler saying something to the effect that Damien
Bergamini hasn't kept up with the moving target of that Sam's work on
net80211.