From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Mar 25 06:09:48 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id GAA13690 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 25 Mar 1997 06:09:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from ui-gate.utell.co.uk (ui-gate.utell.co.uk [194.200.4.253]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA13685 for ; Tue, 25 Mar 1997 06:09:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from shift.lan.awfulhak.org (shift.utell.net [97.3.0.21]) by ui-gate.utell.co.uk (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA27368; Tue, 25 Mar 1997 14:09:38 GMT Received: from shift.lan.awfulhak.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by shift.lan.awfulhak.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA00279; Tue, 25 Mar 1997 14:09:38 GMT Message-Id: <199703251409.OAA00279@shift.lan.awfulhak.org> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.9 8/22/96 To: =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F8ren?= Schmidt cc: brian@awfulhak.demon.co.uk, brian@utell.co.uk, freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Backspace = ^H In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 25 Mar 1997 13:37:46 +0100." <199703251238.NAA10221@ravenock.cybercity.dk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 14:09:38 +0000 From: Brian Somers Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by freefall.freebsd.org id GAA13686 Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > In reply to Brian Somers who wrote: > > > In reply to Brian Somers who wrote: > > > > > > *SIGH*, why does this come up again and again?? > > > > 'cos it doesn't make sense (*stir* *stir* *stir*). > > Yes it does :) > > > > > The DEL key would send whatever the Backspace key doesn't. > > > > > > > > (I'd prefer BS=^?, DEL=^h) > > > > > > BS = BACKSPACE = 0x08 > > > DEL = DELETE = 0x7f > > > > > > Why on earth should they be reversed contradicting their names ?? > > > > So that emacs' help system can work. Why would reversing them > > contradict their names ? > > Change emacs ?? > > Because "back space" in ascii parlour is 0x08, and "delete" is 0x7f > thats why....go check an ascii chart... Yep - it just occurred to me to look at an ascii chart. > > > Now, BSD then has a funny old behavior of having the std erase one > > > char set to 0x7f, but thats only for hysterical reasons... > > > > And then it stty's it to 0x08 in roots .profile..... If people really > > insist on BS=0x08 and DEL=0x7f, then so be it, but the default erase > > should be changed to 0x08 too (and the stty removed from roots .profile). > > Well, I dont se whats wrong with changing it if one likes it another > way, but we caould easily agree on the default erase char should be > back space aka 0x08. This however breaks with BSD hysteria... Ok, so this is my point. The hysterical idea is wrong :) I now agree that 0x08 is the right thing to send for a BS, so we need to have the default erase as 0x08 and remove the stty from /.profile and /root/.profile (a link anyway). Any disagreements (freebsd-hackers) ? > > > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- > > > Søren Schmidt (sos@FreeBSD.org) FreeBSD Core Team > > > Even more code to hack -- will it ever end > > > .. > > > > ARRRRGH ! I had to install metamail to reply to this ! > > Welcome to the modern 8 bit age :), I like to se my name > spelled with the right letters :) > grumble. -- Brian Don't _EVER_ lose your sense of humour !