From owner-svn-src-all@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Mar 5 18:52:15 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: svn-src-all@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C8AF4A8E; Thu, 5 Mar 2015 18:52:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: from vps.hungerhost.com (vps.hungerhost.com [216.38.53.176]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 95A39842; Thu, 5 Mar 2015 18:52:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [24.246.110.93] (port=22002 helo=[172.16.19.1]) by vps.hungerhost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1YTasQ-0005WT-3z; Thu, 05 Mar 2015 13:52:06 -0500 From: "George Neville-Neil" To: "Garrett Cooper" Subject: Re: svn commit: r279603 - in head: bin/rcp usr.bin/rlogin usr.bin/rsh Date: Thu, 05 Mar 2015 13:51:56 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: <201503042201.t24M1jDG009278@svn.freebsd.org> <20150305114828.GK17947@FreeBSD.org> <20150305122103.GA90978@zxy.spb.ru> <54F89E97.9040203@beastielabs.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="=_MailMate_2AF35507-7691-400A-8D2B-E83F1C86FF51_="; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature" X-Mailer: MailMate (1.9r5066) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - vps.hungerhost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freebsd.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - neville-neil.com X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: vps.hungerhost.com: authenticated_id: gnn@neville-neil.com Cc: Baptiste Daroussin , src-committers , svn-src-all@freebsd.org, Hans Ottevanger , Gleb Smirnoff , Slawa Olhovchenkov , svn-src-head@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: svn-src-all@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: "SVN commit messages for the entire src tree \(except for " user" and " projects" \)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 05 Mar 2015 18:52:16 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 3156 and 4880). --=_MailMate_2AF35507-7691-400A-8D2B-E83F1C86FF51_= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 5 Mar 2015, at 13:47, Garrett Cooper wrote: > On Mar 5, 2015, at 10:21, Hans Ottevanger wrote:= > >> On 03/05/15 13:21, Slawa Olhovchenkov wrote: >>> On Thu, Mar 05, 2015 at 02:48:29PM +0300, Gleb Smirnoff wrote: >>> >>>> On Wed, Mar 04, 2015 at 10:01:45PM +0000, Baptiste Daroussin wrote: >>>> B> Author: bapt >>>> B> Date: Wed Mar 4 22:01:44 2015 >>>> B> New Revision: 279603 >>>> B> URL: https://svnweb.freebsd.org/changeset/base/279603 >>>> B> >>>> B> Log: >>>> B> r* commands are not precious anymore >>>> B> >>>> B> Modified: >>>> B> head/bin/rcp/Makefile >>>> B> head/usr.bin/rlogin/Makefile >>>> >>>> I guess when they are going to be not precious enough to be removed?= :) >>>> >>>> In modern world of ssh and https, does any OS require them in base? >>> >>> yes. >>> Some telecom equipment require rlogin. >>> _______________________________________________ >> >> Considering that the r-commands are not particularly large and also no= t really a maintenance nightmare, a would just keep them. They are (still= ) more or less part of the standard Unix toolbox, as perceived by end-use= rs, and you had better not make life too difficult for them. The same is = true for telnet. >> >> I see these tools in use regularly, e.g. to control measurement equipm= ent programmatically. Due to the price tag of those instruments, that won= 't change overnight. The usage is limited to a LAN however, nobody I know= uses these tools over the public Internet anymore. >> >> As far as I know only OpenBSD got rid of these tools up to now. Most o= ther Unix(-like) systems still have them. >> >> And if they absolutely have to go, what happens to the corresponding d= aemons in /usr/libexec (rshd and rlogind)? > > Why not just move them to ports so the people that need them can have t= hem=E2=80=A6? OK, telnet, used by every single person who even configures a network swi= tch. It's in their muscle memory and, for now, we should leave it in the base system. The r* programs are less used though, as someone points out, from time to= time used with telco equipment. Let's do this by stages. Move the r* stuff to a port/package and leave t= elnet alone for now. I know of no network admin who ever touches nc. Let's make sure we're providing for what people actually use day to day. Best, George --=_MailMate_2AF35507-7691-400A-8D2B-E83F1C86FF51_= Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Comment: GPGTools - http://gpgtools.org iEYEARECAAYFAlT4pcwACgkQYdh2wUQKM9J6cQCdEry6xa/5UmfRbzrGq5858NsY pC8An2aLmZPe9vCz3GMYJgLTPDXvqMm2 =AFDU -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=_MailMate_2AF35507-7691-400A-8D2B-E83F1C86FF51_=--