From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 2 04:11:52 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96ED51065675 for ; Sun, 2 Nov 2008 04:11:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bruce@cran.org.uk) Received: from muon.cran.org.uk (muon.cran.org.uk [66.246.138.153]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 510758FC18 for ; Sun, 2 Nov 2008 04:11:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bruce@cran.org.uk) Received: from muon.cran.org.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by muon.cran.org.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F0FF19266; Sun, 2 Nov 2008 00:11:50 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on muon X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RDNS_NONE autolearn=no version=3.2.5 Received: from tau.draftnet (unknown [66.45.161.67]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by muon.cran.org.uk (Postfix) with ESMTPSA; Sun, 2 Nov 2008 00:11:49 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 21:11:42 -0700 From: Bruce Cran To: yuri@rawbw.com Message-ID: <20081101211142.5ebb0719@tau.draftnet> In-Reply-To: <490D13EA.6000604@rawbw.com> References: <490C0159.3000908@rawbw.com> <20081101163322.B10508@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081101160415.GB14218@rebelion.Sisis.de> <20081101174556.L11029@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <490C955C.2010201@rawbw.com> <20081101190520.Y11557@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <490D13EA.6000604@rawbw.com> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.5.0 (GTK+ 2.12.11; amd64-portbld-freebsd7.1) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Wojciech Puchar , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Is KDE4 usable on FreeBSD? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 02 Nov 2008 04:11:52 -0000 On Sat, 01 Nov 2008 19:43:54 -0700 Yuri wrote: > Wojciech Puchar wrote: > >> Also GUI makes life much easier even for advanced users. > > > > exactly wrong. it make my life harder. these "advanced" users you > > say don't like to read manuals and do once simple config taking few > > minutes. > > totally wrong. imagine setting up WiFi network. one mouse click opens > WiFi manager window. another double-click selects network to connect. > another click closes the window of WiFi manager. How in the world it > can be easier to do this with config files ???? > > >> Unfortunately open source is pretty much a failure when it comes > >> to GUI and > >> desktop. Any kind of GUI, look at ddd for example. Untested > >> development-stage > >> software (like kde4) is being released to the public for some > >> reason. > > > > they try to compete with windoze - so they behave the same way! who > > first learned that giving unfinished/buggy/incomplete software to > > users is a good (in marketing point of view) thing? > > > > Microsoft! they learn from it. > > they try to compete and fail. doesn't matter who did what first. > today windoze gui is way more usable than kde4. that's the only thing > that matters. > if kde4 were a commercial company they would have been fired or go > out of business long time ago. I think it depends on what you want to do. For developers KDE4 provides all the features you'd want such as smart text editors, a nice terminal and lots of applications. For normal users I'm not so sure a stock KDE4 is so usable; however having recently used Ubuntu and seen what can be done with Gnome, I'm sure KDE can be configured to be just as good. Talking of Ubuntu, I believe it's now almost as easy to use as Windows, and that's for 'normal' users who don't know much about computers. There are some things that are missing: for example if for some reason it fails to automatically setup the monitor then you're kinda stuck, but all the rest works. As an example of its usability I plugged a new printer in and a few seconds later a notification popped up asking me to select settings, paper type etc. That's neat. I took some photos and plugged my SDHC card into a reader: a photo import application popped up and I could nagivate the photos and select which to copy over. It's smarts like these that really make the difference. I consider myself a power user but I do enjoy things like that being done for me, since I would much prefer to spend my time coding instead of hacking config files to import files, get stuff printed etc. Most people I know are moving from Debian to Ubuntu for the same reason - things just work. At the same time, it's nice to know that if anything does start getting in your way it's still easy to change a few settings to turn it off. -- Bruce Cran