From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 19 22:20:05 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91C851065672; Mon, 19 Jan 2009 22:20:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pete@port3.altadena.net) Received: from kestrel.altadena.net (kestrel.altadena.net [207.136.131.34]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7805C8FC18; Mon, 19 Jan 2009 22:20:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pete@port3.altadena.net) Received: from office.cerona.com ([75.148.25.105] helo=port3.altadena.net) by kestrel.altadena.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LP2A6-000OFH-7r; Mon, 19 Jan 2009 14:00:02 -0800 Received: from port3.altadena.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by port3.altadena.net (8.14.3/8.13.4) with ESMTP id n0JM00gF001225; Mon, 19 Jan 2009 17:00:00 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from pete@port3.altadena.net) Received: (from pete@localhost) by port3.altadena.net (8.14.3/8.13.4/Submit) id n0JLxx7w001224; Mon, 19 Jan 2009 16:59:59 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from pete) Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 16:59:59 -0500 From: Pete Carah To: kris@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20090119215959.GA1185@port3.altadena.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Cc: stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Big problems with 7.1 locking up :-( X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 22:20:05 -0000 I have done some (lots of) kernel debugging in the past. I have several points: 1. I shouldn't *have* to kernel debug for a normal usage of an official release. 2. One of the soekris boxes is 2800 MILES away, in a remote location, with noone present that is a skilled (or, indeed, any kind of) programmer. I usually thought I could trust a release, especially when I had been using the stable branch updated at about monthly intervals on 3 servers with no problems. (actually, I waited a while on 7.0 because .0 releases are traditionally quirky; in this case 7.0-rel worked fine and 7.1 has problems.) (and my servers are still running the *same* compilation of kernel/world with no problems; the hangs are unique to either the laptop (which only started doing this badly with a Jan 9 csup) and the Soekris boxes (which started hangs sometime in December; they clearly don't run X...) [ I've backed my house source to -stable of 12/1/08 and hope this will help; I don't have the time to fool around too much, and particularly to kernel debug something that shouldn't need it.] I can't even start X at all on this laptop now. At least I can boot it, but it isn't much use for work unless it can run X. 3. I can't afford the time to debug my tools (freebsd is a tool, not an experiment, for lots of people, including me...) I use this laptop at work in a place where I am *not* working on freebsd. (nor am I even allowed to at work...) -- Pete