From owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 12 17:29:19 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E58D16A494 for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2006 17:29:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@sopwith.solgatos.com) Received: from schitzo.solgatos.com (pool-71-117-237-135.ptldor.fios.verizon.net [71.117.237.135]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B030143D9F for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2006 17:29:10 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from freebsd@sopwith.solgatos.com) Received: from schitzo.solgatos.com (localhost.home.localnet [127.0.0.1]) by schitzo.solgatos.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9CHT9k3030632; Thu, 12 Oct 2006 10:29:09 -0700 Received: from sopwith.solgatos.com (uucp@localhost) by schitzo.solgatos.com (8.13.6/8.13.4/Submit) with UUCP id k9CHT9Cv030625; Thu, 12 Oct 2006 10:29:09 -0700 Received: from localhost by sopwith.solgatos.com (8.8.8/6.24) id RAA01217; Thu, 12 Oct 2006 17:17:31 GMT Message-Id: <200610121717.RAA01217@sopwith.solgatos.com> To: rick-freebsd@kiwi-computer.com In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 11 Oct 2006 13:28:24 CDT." <20061011182824.GA26289@keira.kiwi-computer.com> Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 10:17:31 +0100 From: Dieter Cc: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org Subject: Re: New port: pvrxxx for Hauppauge PVR150/500 X-BeenThere: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Multimedia discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 17:29:19 -0000 > > The first thing we need is good tuner support in BSD. Nothing against the > > Hauppauge PVR150/500 cards, but IIRC they are analog-only cards. Analog > > broadcasts are going away soon, so we need support for DIGITAL tuners. > > And how do you propose we write drivers for these proprietary tuners? > Last I checked there were very few digital tuners available, and most > have DRM protection. Even finding cards which have linux drivers is quite > difficult! How do the penguins write drivers? What digital tuner has DRM? Do you mean the broadcast flag? The HD3000 specifically promises to not look at it. I haven't seen any other tuner mention it. http://www.bttv-gallery.de/ > And "soon" isn't very specific. From what I've read, most countries won't > stop broadcasting analog for 3-10 years from now. I wouldn't exactly call > that "soon". Fortunately/unfortunately, analog's here for awhile. "Soon" depends on where you live. About 2 years for many of us. And it is shortest time that counts, not the longest. Or do you propose that everyone move to whatever country plans to allow analog for 10 years? > Making linux drivers work in BSD is often nontrivial. What can be done to make this easier? > > The second thing we need is video output support, including at least XvMC. > > > > MythTV is 3rd priority at most. > > IMO, having myth working in BSD will help those who favor BSD to convert > their current myth boxes. I think that's more important than supporting > video output, since a lot of people who care about HD or digital quality > have working solutions. What good is myth without tuners or output? Digital tuner support is not just about HD or quality. There is programming available today on digital broadcasts that is not available on analog broadcasts, And again, analog broadcasts are going away soon.