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Date:      Tue, 11 Jul 2000 11:54:50 GMT
From:      Salvo Bartolotta <bartequi@inwind.it>
To:        Sheldon Hearn <sheldonh@uunet.co.za>
Cc:        freebsd-bugs@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: kern/19482: Upgrade from 4.0-RELEASE to 4.0-STABLE causes RIP packets to be dropped 
Message-ID:  <20000711.11545000@bartequi.ottodomain.org>
In-Reply-To: <79850.963311238@axl.ops.uunet.co.za>
References:  <79850.963311238@axl.ops.uunet.co.za>

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>      3. Work done in a bungling manner; a clumsy performance; a
>         piece of work, or a place in work, marred in the doing, or
>         not properly finished; a bungle.
> [...]

>      3. To put together unsuitably or unskillfully; to express or
>         perform in a bungling manner; to spoil or mar, as by
>         unskillful work.

> > Sorry, but I am going to describe the stuff I do with the correct=20
words
> > in my opinion.

> You're doing work that has to it a public relations aspect.  You have =

a
> responsibility to be careful with your words.  Why are you being so
> stubborn about this, anyway?

> Ciao,
> Sheldon.



Dear Sheldon and Jeroen,

my Oxford Dictionary (Pearsall, 1998) confirms the bad/negative shade=20
of meaning:

botch -> verb [with obj]: /* informal */ carry out a (task) badly or=20
carelessly: <example1> he was accused of botching the job</example1>
<example2>a botched attempt to kill them</example2>

The corresponding noun has the same connotations.



However, both of you might be surprised to learn about the etymology:=20

<etymology according to Oxford Dictionary>
Late Middle English: (in the sense of "repair" but originally not=20
implying clumsiness): of unknown origin.
</etymology according to Oxford Dictionary>

Please note: originally NOT implying clumsiness :-O

Jeroen: in your language, is there a similar word having NO such=20
bad/negative connotations ? Is this (a "false friend") the reason for=20
your current choice ? :-)




If somebody tells me that English is an "easy" language, or that=20
Linguistics is an easy subject, I will (=3Dsharing the same root as=20
Latin "velle") @#[]~`=B9!'em ! [stout severely censored].

Best regards,
Salvo





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