From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Mar 15 22:13:21 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from rwcrmhc53.attbi.com (rwcrmhc53.attbi.com [204.127.198.39]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 080D737B400 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 22:13:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from mac.com ([12.231.115.57]) by rwcrmhc53.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020316061318.PFHD2951.rwcrmhc53.attbi.com@mac.com>; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 06:13:18 +0000 Message-ID: <3C92E233.6050807@mac.com> Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 22:12:03 -0800 From: paul beard User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; NetBSD i386; en-US; rv:0.9.8) Gecko/20020209 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Brad Knowles Cc: Bob Kovacs , Salvo Bartolotta , chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Free BSD References: <1016219646.3c9247fe203dd@webmail.neomedia.it> <3C928B17.5020300@mac.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Brad Knowles wrote: > At 4:00 PM -0800 2002/03/15, paul beard wrote: > >> I think you're right about that, but it's hard to believe 128 Mb >> is insufficient for a desktop/client UI. How did Apple get away >> with their (admittedly simple ) UI in 1 Mb on the old all-in-one >> toasters? And come to that, I have 384 Mb in a 350 MHz G3 and OS >> X is still less than zippy, where OS 9 fairly flies by comparison. > > > That's like asking how did old mainframes with 8KB of core memory > function? They rarely ran KDE2, I'm sure ;-) > You think needing 384MB for FreeBSD is bad? By my calculations, I'd > need 2.7GB of RAM if I had to hold everything in RAM that currently has > virtual memory assigned to it, and I need at least 183MB just for the > RSS of all my currently running program -- and I really don't have that > much going. At least you have the option of running X without it being > layered on top of something like Aqua. > Thanks for the details.Here's a tangent on that: I have no idea what happens every hour on my OS X box, but it seems to spend a lot of cycles doing nothing, more so than the FreeBSD boxes I have. contrast pink (the G3 running OS X) http://www.mindspring.com/~pkdb/pdb/mrtg/pink/pink-load.html with red (a Athlon 700 with 256 Mb RAM) http://www.mindspring.com/~pkdb/pdb/mrtg/red/red-load.html or blue (a PII 233 with 64 Mb) http://www.mindspring.com/~pkdb/pdb/mrtg/blue/blue-load.html No one is sitting at it, it's just idling . . . . To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message