From owner-freebsd-toolchain@freebsd.org Mon Feb 25 18:43:38 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-toolchain@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52F6A1512147 for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2019 18:43:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhb@FreeBSD.org) Received: from smtp.freebsd.org (smtp.freebsd.org [96.47.72.83]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.freebsd.org", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B996072C21; Mon, 25 Feb 2019 18:43:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhb@FreeBSD.org) Received: from John-Baldwins-MacBook-Pro-3.local (ralph.baldwin.cx [66.234.199.215]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) (Authenticated sender: jhb) by smtp.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id E6D1314639; Mon, 25 Feb 2019 18:43:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhb@FreeBSD.org) Subject: Re: External GCC Update To: "Rodney W. Grimes" , Warner Losh Cc: freebsd@bdragon.rtk0.net, "freebsd-toolchain@FreeBSD.org" References: <201902230405.x1N45h1i028519@pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net> From: John Baldwin Openpgp: preference=signencrypt Autocrypt: addr=jhb@FreeBSD.org; keydata= mQGiBETQ+XcRBADMFybiq69u+fJRy/0wzqTNS8jFfWaBTs5/OfcV7wWezVmf9sgwn8TW0Dk0 c9MBl0pz+H01dA2ZSGZ5fXlmFIsee1WEzqeJzpiwd/pejPgSzXB9ijbLHZ2/E0jhGBcVy5Yo /Tw5+U/+laeYKu2xb0XPvM0zMNls1ah5OnP9a6Ql6wCgupaoMySb7DXm2LHD1Z9jTsHcAQMD /1jzh2BoHriy/Q2s4KzzjVp/mQO5DSm2z14BvbQRcXU48oAosHA1u3Wrov6LfPY+0U1tG47X 1BGfnQH+rNAaH0livoSBQ0IPI/8WfIW7ub4qV6HYwWKVqkDkqwcpmGNDbz3gfaDht6nsie5Z pcuCcul4M9CW7Md6zzyvktjnbz61BADGDCopfZC4of0Z3Ka0u8Wik6UJOuqShBt1WcFS8ya1 oB4rc4tXfSHyMF63aPUBMxHR5DXeH+EO2edoSwViDMqWk1jTnYza51rbGY+pebLQOVOxAY7k do5Ordl3wklBPMVEPWoZ61SdbcjhHVwaC5zfiskcxj5wwXd2E9qYlBqRg7QeSm9obiBCYWxk d2luIDxqaGJARnJlZUJTRC5vcmc+iGAEExECACAFAkTQ+awCGwMGCwkIBwMCBBUCCAMEFgID AQIeAQIXgAAKCRBy3lIGd+N/BI6RAJ9S97fvbME+3hxzE3JUyUZ6vTewDACdE1stFuSfqMvM jomvZdYxIYyTUpC5Ag0ERND5ghAIAPwsO0B7BL+bz8sLlLoQktGxXwXQfS5cInvL17Dsgnr3 1AKa94j9EnXQyPEj7u0d+LmEe6CGEGDh1OcGFTMVrof2ZzkSy4+FkZwMKJpTiqeaShMh+Goj XlwIMDxyADYvBIg3eN5YdFKaPQpfgSqhT+7El7w+wSZZD8pPQuLAnie5iz9C8iKy4/cMSOrH YUK/tO+Nhw8Jjlw94Ik0T80iEhI2t+XBVjwdfjbq3HrJ0ehqdBwukyeJRYKmbn298KOFQVHO EVbHA4rF/37jzaMadK43FgJ0SAhPPF5l4l89z5oPu0b/+5e2inA3b8J3iGZxywjM+Csq1tqz hltEc7Q+E08AAwUIAL+15XH8bPbjNJdVyg2CMl10JNW2wWg2Q6qdljeaRqeR6zFus7EZTwtX sNzs5bP8y51PSUDJbeiy2RNCNKWFMndM22TZnk3GNG45nQd4OwYK0RZVrikalmJY5Q6m7Z16 4yrZgIXFdKj2t8F+x613/SJW1lIr9/bDp4U9tw0V1g3l2dFtD3p3ZrQ3hpoDtoK70ioIAjjH aIXIAcm3FGZFXy503DOA0KaTWwvOVdYCFLm3zWuSOmrX/GsEc7ovasOWwjPn878qVjbUKWwx Q4QkF4OhUV9zPtf9tDSAZ3x7QSwoKbCoRCZ/xbyTUPyQ1VvNy/mYrBcYlzHodsaqUDjHuW+I SQQYEQIACQUCRND5ggIbDAAKCRBy3lIGd+N/BCO8AJ9j1dWVQWxw/YdTbEyrRKOY8YZNwwCf afMAg8QvmOWnHx3wl8WslCaXaE8= Message-ID: <8f39c0e0-1c65-bcc9-a674-5692a79d478c@FreeBSD.org> Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2019 10:43:34 -0800 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.12; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <201902230405.x1N45h1i028519@pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: B996072C21 X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.97 / 15.00]; local_wl_from(0.00)[FreeBSD.org]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-0.996,0]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.98)[-0.979,0]; ASN(0.00)[asn:11403, ipnet:96.47.64.0/20, country:US]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0] X-BeenThere: freebsd-toolchain@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Maintenance of FreeBSD's integrated toolchain List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2019 18:43:38 -0000 On 2/22/19 8:05 PM, Rodney W. Grimes wrote: >> On Fri, Feb 22, 2019, 5:09 PM John Baldwin wrote: >> >>> On 2/22/19 11:45 AM, Rodney W. Grimes wrote: >>>>> I was recently able to install base/binutils and base/gcc into an amd64 >>> VM >>>>> and do a self-hosted build and install. Some of the port patches have >>> been >>>>> committed from this, but I have some source patches before the final >>> ports >>>>> patches can be finished. >>>>> >>>>> The source patches are here: >>>>> https://github.com/bsdjhb/freebsd/compare/master...base_gcc >>>> >>>> Phabricator? >>> >>> Eventually, wanted a first cut of the entire patchset in context to see if >>> folks run screaming or not. > > Huh? It is 5 files and not even 200 lines of diff??? > My first Phab review for CPU topology was 10 files and over 300 lines. The "run screaming" is about the ideas, not the amount of code. It's similar to posting to arch@ to say "I have this idea and proof-of-concept, does this look like the right path so I should spend time refining it into the a review-ready product, or should I drop it". I never said I would not use phab, so stop putting words in my mouth. This is not unusual project practice to get "idea" review before detailed code review. >> Thank you. Phabricator isn't good with larger patches. Git let's me see >> things in a number of different views that are hard with the one size fits >> all phab ui. > > Its rather hypocritical for core to announce a "recomendation to do reviews, > and the tool of choice is phabricator" and then have 2 core team members > advocate a code review in git just a short time later. > > This sets bad examples from the top :-( No. Phab is the preferred tool, but it is not the only tool as was clearly noted in the recent recommendation. As I said above, I will push the actual patches for review to phab when the time comes, but they aren't ready for that yet and I'm trying to get a review of the ideas to determine how to spend my time. -- John Baldwin