From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 6 06:57:23 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FE0A16A4CE for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 06:57:23 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [65.75.192.90]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B01AC43D2D for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 06:57:22 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) Received: from tedwin2k (nat-rtr.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [65.75.197.130]) j066vMj32456; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 22:57:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) From: "Ted Mittelstaedt" To: Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 22:57:22 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <667459872.20050106025318@wanadoo.fr> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Importance: Normal cc: atkielski.anthony@wanadoo.fr Subject: RE: Sun revokes FreeBSD license for Java X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2005 06:57:23 -0000 > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]On Behalf Of Anthony > Atkielski > Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2005 5:53 PM > To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > Subject: Re: Sun revokes FreeBSD license for Java > > > Tom Vilot writes: > > TV> I prefer to use just about any other tool (except, of course, for > TV> JSP/.NET, etc). Python, Perl, ... any other tool will do the jobs I > TV> need done and I can avoid the sluggishness of Java, the licensing > TV> ambiguities, and the dependence on a company that is *not* a > TV> software company to begin with! > > I tend to agree. Are people still using Java? Keep in mind that Sun's main Java push was into micro-code for embedded devices, that is why Java was written in the first place. It is only later that they got the idea to play in the PC realm - whereupon they ran up against Microsoft, sparks flew, and Sun got a whole lot of publicity. This is common with companies that Microsoft announces that they hate. ;-) Today there's a lot of commercial software development interest in Java. We don't see this much in Open Source because people tend to use tools on the Open Source side that make sense for the job they are doing. On the corporate side of the house, people sometimes are forced to use tools that some salesmanager or CEO has decided need to be used, and if they don't like that their jobs are outsourced to India. Sun is big and has a lot of money and if your a company that announces you have a Java software item you can get some of that marketing muscle to spill over and help you push your product. If FreeBSD can get a current binary JRE distributed then it helps out those companies that use FreeBSD that have applications like that which they are attempting to sell, without bothering the rest of us who aren't in this boat. In this case why not make friends with them when it costs you nothing? Ted