From owner-freebsd-fs@freebsd.org Fri Mar 22 11:50:42 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-fs@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9729D1541ABA for ; Fri, 22 Mar 2019 11:50:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pathiaki2@yahoo.com) Received: from sonic309-20.consmr.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (sonic309-20.consmr.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [66.163.184.146]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 831C576E42 for ; Fri, 22 Mar 2019 11:50:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pathiaki2@yahoo.com) X-YMail-OSG: 27_HxnkVM1lAXmYsoP5HGfPOYMZhhm1IfyTPLfmqthHBledsUk2VxcOHL6PNwTP vb08e6C55.qYHNg7rqIIbqsY3hDqC6g2Cr_RtYU2VdPH0Y3pZIpVmrJ77Kb1IM5Ec89L2YmTKeQC cq2rkAbnZmv.IW7xyiTs0o0hg52V_bV38LYVL2rmKKKViZgnSGAHBHSffto93BRQTwVnuiWiUojW qDTDRwCw9Uz1pt6Lxzhpdw_5myEVh0d1D6iJZwnN.uO8Oji7gmcv46wSh3H8wXtNU1P31RZj6YbE ACAGhHQJABiAw9opl5l7fQCgXTa5XvSxfm1kxc69lj_qyOTJhcenjVfCd4N87g0oRuy79IvZtERe ia40PW1E3QpwMaS_EwTnqQCuvCYZJM.F61VvANFBeXxFnE2dXZFmkDjoRAUb9__Zwu9kYq5Z3iSx WK4JgFf1Yi4V9dJPqjvcwqNONR3tzvqCMUO6egCFoVh3KxuIUUw6hq.mEfOhUGNVVDNYfzxWyBP3 02sYvVvBaDo6AMFYzHOlETUu7lqUXSm.g2Bc7siWuTVPNolezcrqcZgLgEtbKFoRZBTCMEYNicpr jZzUxyIALDoOXrKWgEMwq06t7T7rQdoxN.RZB1V1N6nd5ndboBG.hPltNFNlrG6nHe.MjklgLNzO k10QTFrJ9Q3A4Nmij86ewrDY60NIbOhMAL0WRr3jJGiGWhONWxTxXlslOt4WLJiz8RGuTtBT7ZCl .VlDKLlev3qqUkKqvUJT1zmWof7aNeNSxR3zFXZdfFG1wSMwbUye1j1EYRlbfs5w.jLW62PqiSBi _jtOk4pd63Riz0LZmttiQqGk8dqrGrz5j.GWxpeXsy9CwWml8NZ.XaXfhnZezDr0jceN1NcGnCyH I.KZWEJSziiO3LPEW.DMhQugMe1uc_6jkRH8_.ULN_JyRYIcJxd9f24ezch6J0X9Fu5Vd9jHCq2k FPt_A.i6OjpIZ10AvEsZzCqN3LjagJynXONFs3t.zk1UK4ei4It1g2.BuJlRx59M_2Mi0XBGS9l8 mUNITnk0mPJwvMcShZwExhkxVzUWqcqEvOQHlv98wJy.vZfhF7SkoEaQiNZ6h3y9mild9_iGSg99 kFYWFbAvr7U9rT40EC2MjUi6ROIaeYvmMJHmDStWn2kW3tfWz21A.wfFxUVMrkA-- Received: from sonic.gate.mail.ne1.yahoo.com by sonic309.consmr.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with HTTP; Fri, 22 Mar 2019 11:50:40 +0000 Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2019 11:40:29 +0000 (UTC) From: Paul Pathiakis To: Miroslav Lachman <000.fbsd@quip.cz>, Matthew Macy Cc: "freebsd-fs@FreeBSD.org" , freebsd-performance@freebsd.org Message-ID: <1933758568.9695852.1553254829805@mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: References: <907466e6-1cc1-6977-6d06-20aed1200d4b@quip.cz> Subject: Re: FreeBSD ZFS vs. TrueOS ZoF benchmarks MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: WebService/1.1.13212 YMailNorrin Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/60.0 X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 831C576E42 X-Spamd-Bar: +++ X-Spamd-Result: default: False [3.01 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; TO_DN_EQ_ADDR_SOME(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[yahoo.com:s=s2048]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ptr:yahoo.com]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[yahoo.com]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.97)[0.966,0]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.98)[0.985,0]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[yahoo.com:+]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: mta6.am0.yahoodns.net]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[146.184.163.66.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[yahoo.com,reject]; IP_SCORE(1.18)[ip: (3.80), ipnet: 66.163.184.0/21(1.20), asn: 36646(0.96), country: US(-0.07)]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(0.89)[0.892,0]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[yahoo.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:36646, ipnet:66.163.184.0/21, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[yahoo.com.dwl.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.29 X-BeenThere: freebsd-fs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Filesystems List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2019 11:50:42 -0000 Matt, Meaning?=C2=A0 How does -O0 optimization and INVARIANTS affect this?=C2=A0= =20 Personally, I find everything on Phoronix "out-of-the-box" FreeBSD and opti= mized Linux.=C2=A0 *shrug*=C2=A0 Apples? Meet Oranges.=C2=A0 I make my mone= y as a contractor supporting RH/CentOS, but it's always funny to give peopl= e the heads up on who uses FreeBSD as their starting point and to let them = know the home network runs on FreeBSD. When people think Linux (which they believe is the only OSS "Operating Syst= em" out there)=C2=A0 I have to explain kernel and user space and then expla= in FreeBSD is both and then show them the numerous CVE exploits for that ye= ar.... 150+ versus ~15.=C2=A0 Faster is not always better, especially when = you're circumventing standards to get that speed. (I remember the IIS vs Ap= ache wars....=C2=A0 Turned out that IIS was not doing things properly and c= ircumvented a lot of exploit protections for that speed.)=C2=A0=20 Building an OS that does everything well OOB, FreeBSD can do that.=C2=A0 Op= timize for application specific....=C2=A0 It usually wins, places or shows.= =C2=A0=20 Sadly, I didn't realize that FreeNAS was using OpenZFS vs the FreeBSD ZFS.= =C2=A0 Here's my question.... Why?=C2=A0 It was my understanding that SUN m= ade it OSS and there are conflicts with the CDDL and GPL.=C2=A0 It seems si= lly to lose performance for no reason. As for phoronix, I read it for a laugh.=C2=A0 It's funny how so many "Linux= is everything/rules" people I meet who just use it as a shield and have ne= ver evaluated the kernels of both and the surrounding userland.=C2=A0 The F= reeBSD project is tight, goes through a proper QA and release cycle and out= pops, even a x.0 release, a fully useful new OS version with everything ne= at, tidy, functional and fast.=C2=A0 (So, if FreeBSD can do this, why are a= ll the crazies that are producing software screaming AGILE and quick releas= es which still has not solved the problem of crap code?) Ooops, bit of a rant.... sorry all, Paul On Thursday, March 21, 2019, 12:37:23 PM EDT, Matthew Macy wrote: =20 =20 These were run with ZoF compiled with -O0 and INVARIANTS. Take what you read with a grain of salt. On Thu, Mar 21, 2019 at 09:28 Miroslav Lachman <000.fbsd@quip.cz> wrote: > There is a benchmark comparing ZFS in FreeBSD 12 with ZFS in TrueOS > based on ZFSonFreeBSD 9https://zfsonfreebsd.github.io/ZoF/0 > > FreeBSD ZFS vs. TrueOS ZoF vs. DragonFlyBSD HAMMER2 vs. ZFS On Linux > Benchmarks > https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=3Darticle&item=3Dbsd-initial-zof#= =3D1 > > I am interested if there will be enough testing before replacing the > official FreeBSD code base with ZoF. ZFS in FreeBSD 12 is much faster so > I am afraid if FreeBSD based on ZoF will be as fast as our current > implementation of ZFS. > > Kind regards > Miroslav Lachman > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-fs@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-fs > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-fs-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > _______________________________________________ freebsd-performance@freebsd.org mailing list https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-performance To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-performance-unsubscribe@freebsd.o= rg" =20 From owner-freebsd-fs@freebsd.org Fri Mar 22 12:45:38 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-fs@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 293631544D53 for ; Fri, 22 Mar 2019 12:45:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bugzilla-noreply@freebsd.org) Received: from mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (mailman.ysv.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::50:5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AEFDC81658 for ; Fri, 22 Mar 2019 12:45:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bugzilla-noreply@freebsd.org) Received: by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) id 72DEC1544D50; Fri, 22 Mar 2019 12:45:37 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: fs@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 609731544D4F for ; Fri, 22 Mar 2019 12:45:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bugzilla-noreply@freebsd.org) Received: from mxrelay.ysv.freebsd.org (mxrelay.ysv.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:3]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "mxrelay.ysv.freebsd.org", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F155B81654 for ; Fri, 22 Mar 2019 12:45:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bugzilla-noreply@freebsd.org) Received: from kenobi.freebsd.org (kenobi.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::16:76]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mxrelay.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4F4B1128FB for ; Fri, 22 Mar 2019 12:45:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bugzilla-noreply@freebsd.org) Received: from kenobi.freebsd.org ([127.0.1.118]) by kenobi.freebsd.org (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTP id x2MCjaPn019312 for ; Fri, 22 Mar 2019 12:45:36 GMT (envelope-from bugzilla-noreply@freebsd.org) Received: (from www@localhost) by kenobi.freebsd.org (8.15.2/8.15.2/Submit) id x2MCjahl019308 for fs@FreeBSD.org; Fri, 22 Mar 2019 12:45:36 GMT (envelope-from bugzilla-noreply@freebsd.org) X-Authentication-Warning: kenobi.freebsd.org: www set sender to bugzilla-noreply@freebsd.org using -f From: bugzilla-noreply@freebsd.org To: fs@FreeBSD.org Subject: [Bug 236710] zfs: clone + resize = dataset is busy Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2019 12:45:35 +0000 X-Bugzilla-Reason: AssignedTo X-Bugzilla-Type: changed X-Bugzilla-Watch-Reason: None X-Bugzilla-Product: Base System X-Bugzilla-Component: bin X-Bugzilla-Version: CURRENT X-Bugzilla-Keywords: X-Bugzilla-Severity: Affects Many People X-Bugzilla-Who: linimon@FreeBSD.org X-Bugzilla-Status: New X-Bugzilla-Resolution: X-Bugzilla-Priority: --- X-Bugzilla-Assigned-To: fs@FreeBSD.org X-Bugzilla-Flags: X-Bugzilla-Changed-Fields: assigned_to Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Bugzilla-URL: https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/ Auto-Submitted: auto-generated MIME-Version: 1.0 X-BeenThere: freebsd-fs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Filesystems List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2019 12:45:38 -0000 https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3D236710 Mark Linimon changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Assignee|bugs@FreeBSD.org |fs@FreeBSD.org --=20 You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.=