From owner-freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Sat Apr 11 21:04:21 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F4BE27B3C2 for ; Sat, 11 Apr 2020 21:04:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@puchar.net) Received: from puchar.net (puchar.net [194.1.144.90]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4906nc229wz47R0; Sat, 11 Apr 2020 21:04:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@puchar.net) Received: Received: from 127.0.0.1 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by puchar.net (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPS id 03BL4GP7073323 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Sat, 11 Apr 2020 23:04:16 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from puchar-wojtek@puchar.net) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=puchar.net; s=default; t=1586639056; bh=KtueLTq7P6Ij7B8ZjrOrZbI4axk/JzhOAkIwuDyRu/I=; h=Date:From:To:cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References; b=JmjOjBRnFiPmtJzU4+V4jaV8O0zyy2skPy+FjGFI6BdD30Fbr7zb5OzYhpCMlbAD5 P54FgANF39J0I/eipD/mXFBh43tsIZMZ1SgczWCjtJNgQTRZCH6vE9Jo9fj2a43ri/ p3cPxGxMx/IOiS4Krs6puYhotLszsU7SWRN5/yrQ= Received: from localhost (puchar-wojtek@localhost) by puchar.net (8.15.2/8.15.2/Submit) with ESMTP id 03BL4G9s073320; Sat, 11 Apr 2020 23:04:16 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from puchar-wojtek@puchar.net) Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2020 23:04:16 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Gordon Bergling cc: Ed Maste , FreeBSD Hackers Subject: Re: Ars Technica article on FreeBSD new user experience In-Reply-To: <1FFE298E-A609-4570-A0BD-E530996C92CF@gmail.com> Message-ID: References: <1FFE298E-A609-4570-A0BD-E530996C92CF@gmail.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.20 (BSF 67 2015-01-07) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4906nc229wz47R0 X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=fail (rsa verify failed) header.d=puchar.net header.s=default header.b=JmjOjBRn; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of wojtek@puchar.net designates 194.1.144.90 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=wojtek@puchar.net X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.81 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.99)[-0.995,0]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; R_DKIM_REJECT(1.00)[puchar.net:s=default]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/mixed,text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[puchar.net]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-0.996,0]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[puchar.net:-]; CTYPE_MIXED_BOGUS(1.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[90.144.1.194.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.10.0]; IP_SCORE(-2.51)[ip: (-6.65), ipnet: 194.1.144.0/24(-3.33), asn: 43476(-2.66), country: PL(0.06)]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[gmail.com]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:43476, ipnet:194.1.144.0/24, country:PL]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.29 X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2020 21:04:21 -0000 > > I read this article a few times in detail, but some parts are still driving me nuts. I agree that FreeBSD isn’t maybe that best Operating System for the Desktop User, but please, nailing it all down on the installation experience is strange at least. I think, it would good to have an official response from the FreeBSD Foundation, to say at least. > What do you expect from article written by someone without any real knowledge? One more software "in collection". installed, seen, wrote article, deleted.