From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jan 28 11:39:10 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CDFD016A420 for ; Sat, 28 Jan 2006 11:39:10 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from playnet@mail333.com) Received: from smtp1.pochta.ru (smtp1.pochta.ru [81.211.64.6]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51ED043D48 for ; Sat, 28 Jan 2006 11:39:09 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from playnet@mail333.com) Received: from pl (ip-83-149-3-59.nwgsm.ru [83.149.3.59]) (author=playnet@mail333.com authenticated bits=0) by smtp1.pochta.ru (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP daemon=POCHTA.RU id k0SBcr4v095614; Sat, 28 Jan 2006 14:38:57 +0300 (MSK) (envelope-from playnet@mail333.com) X-Author: playnet@mail333.com from pl (ip-83-149-3-59.nwgsm.ru [83.149.3.59]) via Free Mail POCHTA.RU Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2006 14:42:41 +0300 From: Playnet X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.62r) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <1108076183.20060128144241@mail333.com> To: "Jozef Baum" In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: A strategic question X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: playnet List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2006 11:39:11 -0000 Hello Jozef, Saturday, January 28, 2006, 5:16:04 AM, you wrote: JB> I wonder how people JB> with a low-bandwidth Internet connection do to download the SP2 for Windows JB> XP. I can buy pirate dvd with win2k + winXP sp2 corporate + winXP sp3 for $3 =) JB> I came to FreeBSD, with the idea that it had a more homogeneous quality JB> development model, downloaded the FreeBSD 6.0 boot CD and CD 1 and 2, and JB> installed it on my PC, following the handbook. As i know, CD2 is Live-cd. Not for install, but for repare. JB> I knew UNIX is a toolkit intended to IT knowledge people, so it will never JB> perform a breakthrough to the average desktop user. But my disappointment JB> with FreeBSD was great. FreeBSD not desktop system! It's for servers. For desktop try Gentoo of pcbsd. JB> In fact, to install FreeBSD, one needs already a lot of knowledge about the JB> system. To acquire that knowledge, one needs experience on an installed JB> system. But to have an installed system, one needs already a lot of JB> knowledge about the system. That's the problem. IMHO, you need someone for newbies. As ISBN 0-672-32206-4 (FreeBSD from Brian Tiemann and Michael C. Urban) (in english. Maybe you need do to shop and look someone else in german). JB> The handbook doesn't tell you that, at the "last chance" message, you have JB> to take out the boot CD and to insert CD 1. But if you don't do so, nothing JB> gets installed. You need boot from CD1 and install. And, handbook is stupid. You need good book, not handbook. JB> I have a cable Internet connection and my network card was recognized, but JB> getting an IP-address with the DHCP service of my provider was impossible. You need setup your net from sysinstall Or "man ifconfig" JB> Again, I had to look up with Google how to allow the firewall to get an JB> IP-addres with my provider's DHCP. As default, no firewalls enabled JB> The locate command did not work, as the locate database seemed to be JB> corrupted. I had to figure out how to rebuild this database. After install you can run /etc/periodic/weekly/310.locate JB> The root user had a csh, while ordinary users had a sh shell. I had to JB> figure out how to provide the same shell to the root user and the other JB> users, as all those virtual users are all one and the same person, me. zsh much better For change shell for user try "chsh" JB> Why is it that FreeBSD people, who seem to be perfectly able to formulate JB> correct algorithms for implementing UNIX concepts, and translating them into JB> code, don't care at all about a novice user, providing him with an JB> installation program that doesn't work as it should, even without a GUI? Because FreeBSD not for "novice"... But good books can help you. JB> imagine that people capable of developing such a complex operating system as JB> Unix are unable to offer newcomers a correct and easy install procedure. But JB> probably, that's not their concern. Install procedure correct and easy. Except X =) But X on server -- bad idea. -- Best regards, Playnet mailto:playnet@mail333.com