From owner-freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Wed Nov 4 19:12:32 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-arch@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1690A20993 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2015 19:12:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sbruno@freebsd.org) Received: from mail.ignoranthack.me (ignoranthack.me [199.102.79.106]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B5AA0164D for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2015 19:12:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sbruno@freebsd.org) Received: from [172.23.13.207] (unknown [216.221.230.44]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: sbruno@ignoranthack.me) by mail.ignoranthack.me (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id D61081934F2 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2015 19:12:24 +0000 (UTC) From: Sean Bruno Subject: Sparc64 doesn't care about you, and you shouldn't care about Sparc64 Reply-To: sbruno@freebsd.org To: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Message-ID: <563A5893.1030607@freebsd.org> Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2015 11:12:19 -0800 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion related to FreeBSD architecture List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 Nov 2015 19:12:32 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 So here's the thing, Sparc64 is *just* barely alive in FreeBSD. There is exactly 1 Sparc64 machine as a ref box being hosted at Yahoo for the project. No new hardware is on the horizon. None of the newer Sparc64 processors have been tested to work on FreeBSD and nobody is clamoring to get them working. We're moving into a post-gcc base system now, and sparc64 is the obvious "odd arch" here. There's activity to get MIPS moved to clang and active work to get powerpc moved fully to clang. Leaving Sparc64 in base, requires someone to either make clang DTRT or keep gcc 4.2.1-ish alive. I have asked around for help getting the Sparc64 qemu-bsd-user binary working so I could at a minimum build packages, and I have gotten no feedback from folks. So the only option here is to resurrect sparc64 machines somewhere and start up builds on real hardware. Let's just call it what it is, a dead end of the technology tree. I move that we do NOT produce 11.0 versions for Sparc64 and it should be dropped from the tree. sean -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 iQF8BAEBCgBmBQJWOliTXxSAAAAAAC4AKGlzc3Vlci1mcHJAbm90YXRpb25zLm9w ZW5wZ3AuZmlmdGhob3JzZW1hbi5uZXRCQUFENDYzMkU3MTIxREU4RDIwOTk3REQx MjAxRUZDQTFFNzI3RTY0AAoJEBIB78oecn5k++0IAJjJpBm4vilEXwb38Hfo9zF+ tnGIqkWlMI1+t6t637BD4YvQSumbDFKh7oVflY4ohODhlHVLFQyzlnchgu7M2GBw wLrfMs5FvgS579LFHYah1PZt2WDlvgP4I0inyVh+altbREaxMfQQM/j7Bws+6hH/ RJiTdhM30kMMEf7KhzPihpuyrB6YxaL3F1hbzoA9X22liBLgPi3eb9GoJDUJXsdK MZ1mn/2Hs3gvK6ONoOLpbEpPfaPk1pujEWjmag1WgR5D0bLT7WzG26wOB+63fsdF f3gPV9ytbcXced+7cvW9u3By5PBLcD+kilQO+Ozimmtth2GM2e9GQTCjDf74wSI= =pZHk -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----