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Date:      Wed, 26 Sep 2001 21:33:33 +0200
From:      Gabriel Ambuehl <gabriel_ambuehl@buz.ch>
To:        Rob Andrews <rob@cyberpunkz.org>
Cc:        questions@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re[2]: FreeBSD a good choice for high performance webservers?
Message-ID:  <198178240215.20010926213333@buz.ch>
In-Reply-To: <20010926142025.B51520@switchblade.cyberpunkz.org>
References:  <60164745040.20010926174838@buz.ch> <20010926095640.C86198@xor.obsecurity.org> <20010926123312.A51520@switchblade.cyberpunkz.org> <187172118202.20010926195131@buz.ch> <20010926142025.B51520@switchblade.cyberpunkz.org>

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Hello Rob,

>> Would you care to elaborate?
> Ping localhost on a linux box, then ping localhost on a bsd based
> system. Note the differences..

It's been a while I last had to mess with Linux but I think I
remember
something like 200ms whereas BSD does 70ms on identical hardware.

>> You know it and I know it. But the press won't care. What do you
>> think
>> would happen if someone found a remote root hole in OpenBSD?
>> Exactly. 
> eh?!  You act like that hasn't been a possibility..

I know it is one but the press will ignore the fact so they can go
bash OpenBSD. We've seen it in the past with a local root hole so it
will be even worse with a remote one.

> the Operating system itself might not be the trouble but
> a piece of software on the system.

If it's in the default install, OpenBSD WILL get bashed. After all,
it
has to be "secure" by default. My employers ToS even state
that there ain't no such thing as secure systems...

> But security wasn't what I was talking about.. I was talking about
> the fact that there is not a major enough difference in performance
> to really care.

The point I'm trying to make is that this is obviously true for
realworld applications but since the press hardly ever cared for
those, they'll bash whoever loses in some academic benchmark. Can you
remember that strange TuX httpd integrated in the Linux kernel? It
was
beating the hell out of everything else in benchmarks but do you
think anyone would dare to use it in real life? I hope not.

And as said before, I'm still whining cause I can't use perchild (but
maybe I should stop and just hack Apache 1.3 to do what I need ;-).




Best regards,
 Gabriel

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