From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Sep 14 15: 6: 9 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from flood.ping.uio.no (flood.ping.uio.no [129.240.78.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2CA037B403 for ; Fri, 14 Sep 2001 15:06:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from des@localhost) by flood.ping.uio.no (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA32249; Sat, 15 Sep 2001 00:06:01 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from des@ofug.org) X-URL: http://www.ofug.org/~des/ X-Disclaimer: The views expressed in this message do not necessarily coincide with those of any organisation or company with which I am or have been affiliated. To: Bill Moran Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Helping victims of terror References: <20010914152445.H3356@jake.akitanet.co.uk> <01091417452001.15691@sqltest> From: Dag-Erling Smorgrav Date: 15 Sep 2001 00:05:59 +0200 In-Reply-To: <01091417452001.15691@sqltest> Message-ID: Lines: 27 User-Agent: Gnus/5.0808 (Gnus v5.8.8) Emacs/20.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Bill Moran writes: > Apparently this Ladden guy was a top official in the Saudi government not > that long ago. Unfortunately, the Saudi government had to kick him out > because Saudi Arabia (as a whole) was pursuing a more peaceful stance > with the rest of the world, and Ladden just wouldn't play along. Now he's > a refugee training terrorists, whereas he was controlling armies not that > long ago. Bollocks. You need to check your facts more carefully. Firstly, his name is Usama bin Laden, not "this Ladden guy"; secondly, he's never held a government office, and has in fact been stripped of his Saudi citizenship. The only armies he's ever controlled were US-funded, US-equipped and US-trained Afghan guerillas during the occupation of Afghanistan by the USSR: he left Saudi Arabia for Afghanistan shortly after the Soviet invasion and fought with the Mujahedeen, and organized transportation and training for (non-Afghan) Moslems who wished to fight against the USSR in Afghanistan. He returned to Saudi Arabia in the late eighties but fled the country when the Saudi authorities tried to apprehend him for supporting fundamental groups actioning against moderate Islamic governments. He later turned all his energy and his considerable resources against the USA out of (apparently) a sense of outrage at the shameful violation of Saudi soil by US troops during and after the Gulf War. DES -- Dag-Erling Smorgrav - des@ofug.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message