From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 6 07:11:53 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C453616A4CE for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 07:11:53 +0000 (GMT) Received: from 9.hellooperator.net (cpc3-cdif2-3-0-cust202.cdif.cable.ntl.com [81.103.32.202]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B93743D31 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 07:11:53 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from rasputin@hellooperator.net) Received: from rasputin by 9.hellooperator.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1CmRoG-0006CS-9s for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 06 Jan 2005 07:11:52 +0000 Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 07:11:52 +0000 From: Dick Davies To: FreeBSD Questions Message-ID: <20050106071152.GF12003@lb.tenfour> References: <667459872.20050106025318@wanadoo.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i Sender: Dick Davies Subject: Re: Sun revokes FreeBSD license for Java X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Dick Davies List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2005 07:11:53 -0000 * Ted Mittelstaedt [0157 06:57]: > > Tom Vilot writes: > > I tend to agree. Are people still using Java? > Keep in mind that Sun's main Java push was into micro-code for embedded > devices, that is why Java was written in the first place. And somehow this mutated into J2EE.... :D > ..... On the corporate side of the house, people sometimes > are forced to use tools that some salesmanager or CEO has decided > need to be used, and if they don't like that their jobs are outsourced > to India. The phrase 'Java is the COBOL of the nineties' springs to mind.... > If FreeBSD can get a current binary JRE distributed then it helps > out those companies that use FreeBSD that have applications like that > which they are attempting to sell, without bothering the rest of > us who aren't in this boat. In this case why not make friends with > them when it costs you nothing? I don't think it does cost the Foundation nothing, that's the trouble. You spend years jumping through hoops to get the certification (the only benefit of which is it pleases the managers) and then they turn round and make you do it again. With this attitude it's hardly suprising they piss some people off (especially when the product you're doing all this for is pretty second rate when compared to python or ruby imo)... -- 'Yeah, well I'm gonna build my own themepark! With blackjack aaand Hookers! Actually, forget the park. And the blackjack.' -- Bender Rasputin :: Jack of All Trades - Master of Nuns