From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jun 28 12:14:26 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B8A337B401 for ; Sat, 28 Jun 2003 12:14:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out003.verizon.net (out003pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.103]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D23F44017 for ; Sat, 28 Jun 2003 12:14:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from cswiger@mac.com) Received: from mac.com ([141.149.47.46]) by out003.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.05.33 201-253-122-126-133-20030313) with ESMTP id <20030628191424.OCAC4805.out003.verizon.net@mac.com> for ; Sat, 28 Jun 2003 14:14:24 -0500 Message-ID: <3EFDE90F.3010301@mac.com> Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2003 15:14:23 -0400 From: Chuck Swiger Organization: The Courts of Chaos User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030612 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Free BSD List References: In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 0.76.0.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out003.verizon.net from [141.149.47.46] at Sat, 28 Jun 2003 14:14:23 -0500 Subject: Re: 11 Hour Installs on KDE? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2003 19:14:26 -0000 Joe Pokupec wrote: > I installed 5.1 on 2 separate machines yesterday. After the general install > (which included all the Ports), I went to /usr/ports/x11/kde3 and did a: > > make install clean after reading tfm. > > The install has been going for over 11 hours now. It's not hung up, the text > is scrolling by... On both machines... > > Is there something I should know? X is huge and bloated. CDE was a graphic user environment designed by a committee of Unix vendors: Sun had NeWS, OpenWindows, Motif/MWM and CDE choose the latter rather than either of the former, HP had HP/UX and that wretched bottom center console thing [a poor clone of the CMU 'wmc' console under Andrew], who else? AIX & 'smit'? Anyway, since then, CDE has pursued the goal of emulating aspects of the M$ Windows GUI. KDE is the open source project attempting provide a familiar end-user desktop. Which is a much kinder way of saying they're inheriting much of the mess found by emulating the X/Open Group/SCO/whomever-owed CDE emulating Win 98. Did I mention Qt yet? Anyway, KDE and all of the dependencies can take a really long time to build. [ I will not rant about X's lack of a unified imaging model and the screen vs. printing issue. Or about font mechanisms, or alpha blending. The KDE Project does a good job considering what it is they are working with. Apropos: in the movie, "The Highlander", the apology made in Connor MacLeod's "famous duel on Boston Common"...? :-) ] -- -Chuck