From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 24 17:16:16 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2333D16A41F for ; Sat, 24 Dec 2005 17:16:16 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from danial_thom@yahoo.com) Received: from web33310.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web33310.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.206.125]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 0C63243D5C for ; Sat, 24 Dec 2005 17:16:14 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from danial_thom@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 75491 invoked by uid 60001); 24 Dec 2005 17:16:14 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=NfR2+41AHFh7dG33frCfAYiSPIyGOXtLMKXSdePo2ZOYj2baCp1LOT38/0+dXeDo4Qq8SbzqCkIL/RXXxvzK4TxL8gKugKr+xQzfW/ALSrX95js8CSPyyWa7dhID1ZV5SYRB3GrHfLW6rmLsSV4reZ9lYWNjZIEyFZ6t8phOafU= ; Message-ID: <20051224171614.75489.qmail@web33310.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [24.46.186.215] by web33310.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 24 Dec 2005 09:16:14 PST Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2005 09:16:14 -0800 (PST) From: Danial Thom To: "Michael C. Shultz" In-Reply-To: <200512240746.15029.ringworm01@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: BSD Question's. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: danial_thom@yahoo.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2005 17:16:16 -0000 --- "Michael C. Shultz" wrote: > On Saturday 24 December 2005 07:34, Danial Thom > wrote: > > --- "Michael C. Shultz" > > > > > wrote: > > > On Saturday 24 December 2005 06:54, Daniel > A. > > > > > > wrote: > > > > Hi Andy, > > > > > > > > I am sorry for the trouble you have had > with > > > > > > Windows XP. > > > > > > > I suggest that you use Linux, as FreeBSD > > > > > > really is not targeted at > > > > > > > people who want to use graphical user > > > > > > interfaces. > > > > > > In a few key areas FreeBSD is a better > desktop > > > OS than Linux: Easier to keep > > > the kernel/world and installed ports up to > date > > > for example without having > > > to resort to the microsoft/Linux fixall > method > > > of removing and reinstalling > > > everything every now and again. Your > opinion > > > is correct IMO that FreeBSD > > > managers put most emphasis on FreeBSD as a > > > server and little as a desktop. > > > My guess is because donations(cash) and > > > hardware support for developers > > > come from people who want servers while > people > > > who want a desktop OS tend to > > > donate squat.... > > > > > > > The linux developers really have been > trying > > > > > > to make a valuable > > > > > > > replacement for Windows, as they somehow > have > > > > > > experienced the same > > > > > > > issues with Windows (And Microsoft > products > > > > > > in general) that you have. > > > > > > > One Linux distribution in particular that > I > > > > > > think you might like, is > > > > > > > Ubuntu. You can download it at > > > > > > http://www.ubuntulinux.org/, or order a > > > > > > > CD (Free shipping, free CD, you pay > nothing). > > > > > > Advertising Linux in a FreeBSD mailing > list? > > > Sounds like you may have more of > > > axe to grind against the FreeBSD management > > > folk than a desire to offer sound > > > advice.... > > > > > > -Mike > > > > Why not just tell the truth, which is that > > Windows XP is the best that you can do for > the > > desktop, and that there is no perfect > solution > > that works perfectly in every scenario? > > What I suppose you really mean is why don't I > just agree > with you ;) > > > FreeBSD > > and Linux *should* focus on server functions, > > because that is where MS is weak and that is > > where its needed. There will likely never be > a > > solid reason to use BSD or linux as a desktop > > other than religion; while there are many > > compelling reasons to use BSD and/or linux > > servers. > > Your opinion. Mine is FreeBSD has the > potential to be > a better desktop than either ms or Linux. The > big problem > at the moment is with web browser plugins. > Desktop users > coming from ms land demand these and FreeBSD > simply > comes up short in supporting them. I have > faith that will > change eventually. You're pretty much admitting here that FreeBSD desktop is not as functional as windows. Which was exactly the point I was making. FreeBSD has the "potential" to be a very good MP OS. Currently it is not, so I don't use it. I need to run a business. "Potential" only means that I monitor its progress; I "use" what is the best available at the time for any given function. The reality is that there are a lot more things available for WinXP than FreeBSD. This to me defines productivity. I don't know what I'll need next month. If something new becomes available that I want to use, its much more likely to run in WinXP than FreeBSD. So even if they were equal at the moment, I have to choose windows. Motherboards are tested on Windows, not FreeBSD. With FreeBSD I never know when I buy a new MB if everything will work properly. With WinXP I know it will. Being able to chose a system based on what hardware I need, rather than what hardware will work with FreeBSD, is a big productivity advantage IMO. DT __________________________________________ Yahoo! DSL – Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less. dsl.yahoo.com