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[209.85.219.170]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id 00721157ae682-719f215308dsm21225587b3.18.2025.07.29.17.33.35 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 29 Jul 2025 17:33:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-yb1-f170.google.com with SMTP id 3f1490d57ef6-e8e0d209623so465348276.0; Tue, 29 Jul 2025 17:33:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Forwarded-Encrypted: i=1; AJvYcCUQRhHFUUrTkY58sdrqoLrBlrGrMXY1DJdyS3zYop+hHLHICXcjOlpbI6Jiepcc3Owbe33k/Z47Z7qGuYA=@freebsd.org, AJvYcCVSpYnjmO6uXqlTwwMGurKwp6arUCl7x3ht93QJsykY6uwtf2X9zD1DaUTYzLivyoomxiqPjcBPsz3Htzcpafc=@freebsd.org, AJvYcCWMbCrMaTynN6X3Nydu51luuebawow1vZouizeKkar6r84Gm5z2XaDmpKdoIugKfcu9Splu9TQdIc0N739DcOg=@freebsd.org X-Received: by 2002:a05:6902:6b16:b0:e8e:29bf:df08 with SMTP id 3f1490d57ef6-e8e315c9869mr1947671276.44.1753835615089; Tue, 29 Jul 2025 17:33:35 -0700 (PDT) List-Id: Packaging the FreeBSD base system List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-pkgbase List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-pkgbase@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Tomek CEDRO Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2025 02:33:25 +0200 X-Gmail-Original-Message-ID: X-Gm-Features: Ac12FXz2xIy7Zp7RcdYgvXd8HSltpqZSHe0EqKZPI9mOBZLPrpqAhiFNO8LJQ44 Message-ID: Subject: Re: PKGBASE Removes FreeBSD Base System Feature To: vermaden Cc: freebsd-pkgbase@freebsd.org, FreeBSD Stable , freebsd-pkg@freebsd.org, FreeBSD Current Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000d517e5063b1aac38" X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4bsCr56JDZz3F6L X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US] --000000000000d517e5063b1aac38 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" On Wed, Jul 30, 2025, 02:28 vermaden wrote: > Hi, > > after short discussion here: > - https://github.com/freebsd/pkg/issues/2485 > > I got REALLY concerned. > > One of THE features and selling points of a FreeBSD UNIX system is the > 'untouchable' Base System. > > Without PKGBASE all the features are preserved. > > But when You convert to PKGBASE its ... GONE! > > Consider this command: > > # pkg delete -af > > What it does? > > It removes all third party packages on 'classic' FreeBSD system without > touching the FreeBSD Base System. > > What the same "pkg delete -af" command does on a PKGBASE FreeBSD system? > > It kills/destroys almost all of the FreeBSD Base System and leaves only > two PKGBASE packages called: > > - FreeBSD-clibs > - FreeBSD-runtime > > All the rest of Base System is GONE. Destroyed. > > You do not even have vi(1) editor ad /rescue is separate not protected > FreeBSD-rescue package and its also removed. > > WTF?! > > POLA is the principle that made FreeBSD such predictable system. Where is > the POLA now? > > Why the same *pkg delete -af* command on 'classic' FreeBSD system without > PKGBASE only removes all third party packages and the same *pkg delete -af* > literally destroys most of the FreeBSD PKGBASE Base System? > > Its crazy ... > > Regards, > vermaden > yup :-( -- CeDeROM, SQ7MHZ, http://www.tomek.cedro.info --000000000000d517e5063b1aac38 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

On W= ed, Jul 30, 2025, 02:28 vermaden <vermaden@interia.pl> wrote:
Hi,

after short discussion here:
- https://github.com/freebsd/pkg/issues/2485

I got REALLY concerned.

One of THE features and selling points of a FreeBSD UNIX system is the '= ;untouchable' Base System.

Without PKGBASE all the features are preserved.

But when You convert to PKGBASE its ... GONE!

Consider this command:

# pkg delete -af

What it does?

It removes all third party packages on 'classic' FreeBSD system wit= hout touching the FreeBSD Base System.

What the same "pkg delete -af" command does on a PKGBASE FreeBSD = system?

It kills/destroys almost all of the FreeBSD Base System and leaves only two= PKGBASE packages called:

- FreeBSD-clibs
- FreeBSD-runtime

All the rest of Base System is GONE. Destroyed.

You do not even have vi(1) editor ad /rescue is separate not protected Free= BSD-rescue package and its also removed.

WTF?!

POLA is the principle that made FreeBSD such predictable system. Where is t= he POLA now?

Why the same *pkg delete -af* command on 'classic' FreeBSD system w= ithout PKGBASE only removes all third party packages and the same *pkg dele= te -af* literally destroys most of the FreeBSD PKGBASE Base System?

Its crazy ...

Regards,
vermaden

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