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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2018 22:47:27 -0000 Hi=0A=0A=0A----- Original Message -----=0A>From: Warner Losh =0A>To: Mori Hiroki =0A>Cc: "freebsd-arm@freebsd.= org" =0A>Date: 2018/7/19, Thu 03:01=0A>Subject: Re= : One last item: CNS1102 support removal=0A> =0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>On Wed= , Jul 18, 2018 at 11:41 AM, Mori Hiroki wrote:=0A>= =0A>Hi=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>sys/arm/ralink is work fine. Please do not remove this= .=0A>=0A>=0A>OK. Do you have a kernel config file we can commit to the tree= ? I don't even know if it compiles, apart from your dmesg posts. I wasn't s= ure based on your email, so I thought I'd ask for clarification.=0A=0AThis = is kernel configure file.=0A=0Ahttps://svnweb.freebsd.org/base/head/sys/arm= /conf/RT1310?view=3Dmarkup=0A=0A=0Admesg have pci log but not commit yet.= =0A=0AThanks=0A=0AHiroki Mori=0A=0A>=0A>=0A>CNS1102 is 922T which is armv4.= I couldn't even find an eval board to try to boot it on, nor any board wit= h more than 16MB on the consumer gear that it's in on ebay. And it's always= a pain to get stuff on gear of that era unless you get lucky...=0A>=A0=0A>= Why do you want remove armv5t ? armv5t is still alive.=0A>=0A>=0A>The numbe= r of users on armv5t is declining. We're not removing it for 12 (since ther= e's several known users), but will have a discussion about that after we br= anch 12 whether or not we'll keep it for 13. Since there are users, we need= to understand the impact of keeping the port or retiring it on them. Unlik= e these early parts where there's no known users...=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>Warner= =0A>=A0=0A>Thanks=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>Hiroki Mori=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>----- Original Me= ssage -----=0A>>>From: Warner Losh =0A>>>=0A>>>To: Mori Hir= oki =0A>>>Cc: "freebsd-arm@freebsd.org" =0A>>>Date: 2018/7/19, Thu 02:37=0A>>>Subject: Re: One last i= tem: CNS1102 support removal=0A>>> =0A>>>=0A>>>=0A>>>=0A>>>=0A>>>=0A>>>On W= ed, Jul 18, 2018 at 9:37 AM, Mori Hiroki wrote:=0A>= >>=0A>>>Hi.=0A>>>>=0A>>>>I make fdt eventtimer intrng to cns11xx.=0A>>>>=0A= >>>>https://gist.github.com/ yamori813/ ae047a28a825aac255e436fd8ccaf7 85= =0A>>>>=0A>>>>=0A>>>>Still not work...=0A>>>>=0A>>>>Clang is very slow on c= ross compile. It's take 7 hour.=0A>>>>=0A>>>>My cns11xx target Planex MZK-W= 04G is 64MByte ram.=0A>>>>=0A>>>=0A>>>=0A>>>OK. I could only find a board w= ith 16MB. 64MB is barely enough these days to do useful things with FreeBSD= unless you're a super user.=0A>>>=A0=0A>>>It's bigger than rt1310 target.= =0A>>>>=0A>>>=0A>>>=0A>>>There's no RALINK kernel config I could find, even= though the rt1310 code is in the tree. What have I missed?=0A>>>=A0=0A>>>I= almost abandon...=0A>>>>=0A>>>=0A>>>=0A>>>So are you abandoning both platf= orms? Or just CNS1102?=0A>>>=0A>>>=0A>>>Are you OK with removing one or bot= h of these platforms?=0A>>>=0A>>>=0A>>>Warner=0A>>>=0A>>>=0A>>>=0A>>>=0A>>>= Hiroki Mori=0A>>>>=0A>>>>=0A>>>>----- Original Message -----=0A>>>>> From: = Warner Losh =0A>>>>> To: "freebsd-arm@freebsd.org" =0A>>>>> Cc: =0A>>>>> Date: 2018/7/18, Wed 22:58=0A>>>>> S= ubject: One last item: CNS1102 support removal=0A>>>>> =0A>>>>>T here's one= last item in arm land for 12 I'd like to remove: The Econa /=0A>>>>> Caviu= m CN1102 support.=0A>>>>> =0A>>>>> It's literally received no updates since= it was committed in 2010, apart=0A>>>>> from others doing kernel sweeps. I= t's unmaintained. Strike one.=0A>>>>> =0A>>>>> Second, it will be the last = armv4 port in the tree after I remove Atmel. We=0A>>>>> haven't had FreeBSD= running on armv4 Atmel since FreeBSD 8. Strike two.=0A>>>>> =0A>>>>> Third= , the original machines were released in 2005 or 2006. There's only=0A>>>>= =0A> one known board, according to https://wikidevi.com/wiki/ Cavium, and i= t came=0A>>>>> with only 16MB. So it's old and doesn't have much RAM. While= barely=0A>>>>> possible, in theory, to run FreeBSD/arm in 16MB, it's a hug= e PITA. Strike=0A>>>>> three.=0A>>>>> =0A>>>>> Forth, I can find no mention= of it in the archives or bug database. Strike=0A>>>>> four.=0A>>>>> =0A>>>= >> I'm lead to the conclusion that this is no longer maintained, has no use= rs,=0A>>>>> the hardware it was in has insufficient resources to run FreeBS= D well and=0A>>>>> these things are unlikely to change. Therefore, we shoul= d remove it.=0A>>>>> =0A>>>>> Comments?=0A>>>>> =0A>>>>> Warner=0A>>>>> ___= ___________________________ _________________=0A>>>>> freebsd-arm@freebsd.o= rg mailing list=0A>>>>> https://lists.freebsd.org/ mailman/listinfo/freebsd= -arm=0A>>>>> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-arm-unsubscribe@ fre= ebsd.org"=0A>>>>> =0A>>>>=0A>>>=0A>>>=0A>>>=0A>=0A>=0A>