From owner-freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Fri Aug 5 15:32:46 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-arch@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B98EBBB03B0; Fri, 5 Aug 2016 15:32:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jmg@gold.funkthat.com) Received: from gold.funkthat.com (gate2.funkthat.com [208.87.223.18]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "gold.funkthat.com", Issuer "gold.funkthat.com" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 98E0618D4; Fri, 5 Aug 2016 15:32:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jmg@gold.funkthat.com) Received: from gold.funkthat.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gold.funkthat.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPS id u75FWb4A016924 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 5 Aug 2016 08:32:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jmg@gold.funkthat.com) Received: (from jmg@localhost) by gold.funkthat.com (8.15.2/8.15.2/Submit) id u75FWawU016922; Fri, 5 Aug 2016 08:32:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jmg) Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2016 08:32:36 -0700 From: John-Mark Gurney To: Adrian Chadd Cc: Michelle Sullivan , Anna Wilcox , freebsd-arch , Marius Strobl , Sean Bruno , Jordan Hubbard , sparc64@freebsd.org, Warner Losh Subject: Re: Sparc64 doesn't care about you, and you shouldn't care about Sparc64 Message-ID: <20160805153236.GA16908@funkthat.com> Mail-Followup-To: Adrian Chadd , Michelle Sullivan , Anna Wilcox , freebsd-arch , Marius Strobl , Sean Bruno , Jordan Hubbard , sparc64@freebsd.org, Warner Losh References: <64302b19-9f33-4267-af44-7fc30ea4bf3d@email.android.com> <56434F34.6040707@sorbs.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 9.1-PRERELEASE amd64 X-PGP-Fingerprint: 54BA 873B 6515 3F10 9E88 9322 9CB1 8F74 6D3F A396 X-Files: The truth is out there X-URL: http://resnet.uoregon.edu/~gurney_j/ X-Resume: http://resnet.uoregon.edu/~gurney_j/resume.html X-TipJar: bitcoin:13Qmb6AeTgQecazTWph4XasEsP7nGRbAPE X-to-the-FBI-CIA-and-NSA: HI! HOW YA DOIN? can i haz chizburger? User-Agent: Mutt/1.6.1 (2016-04-27) X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.4.3 (gold.funkthat.com [127.0.0.1]); Fri, 05 Aug 2016 08:32:38 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion related to FreeBSD architecture List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 05 Aug 2016 15:32:46 -0000 Adrian Chadd wrote this message on Wed, Nov 11, 2015 at 07:29 -0800: > > FreeBSD has an opportunity to fill the void in the secondhand Oracle > > (Sun) Hardware market if people want to take it.... but I seriously > > don't see why anyone would buy new Oracle boxes and shove FreeBSD on > > them - unless their admins already manage FreeBSD on older + Intel hardware. > > > > As always, someone has to write and debug the code. > > Users are only as good as the revenue to generate to cover > development/debugging/deployment costs. > > So if you're a sparc64 user, how much would you be willing to pay for > freebsd/sparc64 support and development? > > I'm all for keeping an architecture like sparc around, as long as > there's active development and active users. MIPS has both. ARM has > both. Powerpc has both. Sparc is missing some active developers, but > it has plenty of FreeBSD users that speak up (and more users that only > speak up privately.) So, if you want to see sparc64 support continue, > this requires a grass roots effort to get more development happening - > either users need to step up, or someone has to start contributing > money. If you care, then give donations to the FreeBSD Foundation, and say you want/need sparc64 and/or sun4v support... Or find a developer to pay for the work... These are the straight forward ways to keep sparc64 alive... -- John-Mark Gurney Voice: +1 415 225 5579 "All that I will do, has been done, All that I have, has not."