From owner-freebsd-stable Mon May 31 1:33: 2 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from paert.tse-online.de (paert.tse-online.de [194.97.69.172]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 6A12A15057 for ; Mon, 31 May 1999 01:32:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ab@paert.tse-online.de) Received: (qmail 3104 invoked by uid 1000); 31 May 1999 08:31:09 -0000 Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 10:31:09 +0200 From: Andreas Braukmann To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Ramblings from a Newbie... Message-ID: <19990531103107.C2864@paert.tse-online.de> References: <19990530022036.A10524@futuresouth.com> <19990530105652.A73222@ontario.mooseriver.com> <004f01beaad4$9b3234a0$06c3fe90@cisco.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.5i In-Reply-To: <004f01beaad4$9b3234a0$06c3fe90@cisco.com>; from Justin Wolf on Sun, May 30, 1999 at 12:42:22PM -0700 Organization: TSE TeleService GmbH Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, ... a few short remarks on this topic. I'm an vi-addict since my very first contact with its 'almighty' paradigma of combining 'objects', 'movements' and 'operations'. That's editing ... (I was even one of the guys who buyed the MKS Toolkit for MS-DOS; ...) On Sun, May 30, 1999 at 12:42:22PM -0700, Justin Wolf wrote: > edit email messages for pine, it doesn't really need to be all-powerful). > At first, vi seemed unwieldly... far too many key presses, why aren't there > menus, and where the hell is the online-help? [...] > of power. Now if only it had column cut & paste... You really should have a look at 'vim' (/usr/ports/editors/vim5/). It fullfills all your above mentioned wishes (and more). > I tried EMacs, even xemacs... I'd have to spend a lot more time reading me too. > documentation and fiddling about just to figure out how to exit to > application (programs of this size are no longer mere 'programs' - they're > applications). Most of the power of emacs is lost on me... my brain is not > big enough to grasp the concept. I've heard of people who actually use > emacs as their command-line shell. For a short period of time (from '92 to '94) I've used XEmacs for the larger editing tasks (e.g. a whole lot of C++ and LaTeX editing). ... but ... I've used (naturally) the viper-mode (an really nice vi-emulation package for this operation system called 'emacs'). [ 'Emacs' is the better operating system, ... but Unix has the better editor ;)) - vi ] > I used to edit web pages with notepad.exe... now I use vi. I'm much But now, as there are vi-like editors with all the features of a real editor (macro-language, syntax-highlighting, language-sensitive auto-indenting etc.), I've even deleted the emacs installation from my machines ... > happier. (I still use pine though...) ... give 'mutt' a try and use 'vim' as your mail-editor ;) -Andreas -- : TSE TeleService GmbH : Gsf: Arne Reuter : : : Hovestrasse 14 : Andreas Braukmann : We do it with : : D-48351 Everswinkel : HRB: 1430, AG WAF : FreeBSD/SMP : :--------------------------------------------------------------------: : Anti-Spam Petition: http://www.politik-digital.de/spam/ : : PGP-Key: http://www.tse-online.de/~ab/public-key : : Key fingerprint: 12 13 EF BC 22 DD F4 B6 3C 25 C9 06 DC D3 45 9B : To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message