From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jun 28 13:08:02 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D2A437B412 for ; Sat, 28 Jun 2003 13:08:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out004.verizon.net (out004pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.142]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8DAD4401F for ; Sat, 28 Jun 2003 13:08:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from cswiger@mac.com) Received: from mac.com ([141.149.47.46]) by out004.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.05.33 201-253-122-126-133-20030313) with ESMTP id <20030628200800.QHQJ246.out004.verizon.net@mac.com> for ; Sat, 28 Jun 2003 15:08:00 -0500 Message-ID: <3EFDF59E.9050308@mac.com> Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2003 16:07:58 -0400 From: Chuck Swiger Organization: The Courts of Chaos User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030612 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd Questions References: <3EFDE90F.3010301@mac.com> <20030628195504.GA20119@freshaire.wiz.com> In-Reply-To: <20030628195504.GA20119@freshaire.wiz.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.76.0.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out004.verizon.net from [141.149.47.46] at Sat, 28 Jun 2003 15:07:59 -0500 Subject: Re: 11 Hour Installs on KDE? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2003 20:08:02 -0000 Marc Wiz wrote: > On Sat, Jun 28, 2003 at 03:14:23PM -0400, Chuck Swiger wrote: >>X is huge and bloated. CDE was a graphic user environment designed by a >>committee of Unix vendors: Sun had NeWS, OpenWindows, Motif/MWM and CDE >>choose the latter rather than either of the former, HP had HP/UX and that >>wretched bottom center console thing [a poor clone of the CMU 'wmc' console >>under Andrew], who else? AIX & 'smit'? Anyway, since then, CDE has >>pursued the goal of emulating aspects of the M$ Windows GUI. > > AIX & smit makes X huge and bloated? Smit is an application which > runs either curses or X for display purposes. It is certainly not > to blame for X being bloated. No: MIT is to blame for X being huge and bloated. I was wondering what other blighted aspects of various vendor OS'es that I could point to that reminded me of the first impression I got of CDE, and 'smit' was what came to mind when I considered AIX. To put it mildly, I'd rather have seperate dedicated tools than a jumbo swiss-army knife. That way, I'd have lots of tools which actually do their particular job well, rather than single tool which doesn't do anything at all particularly well. -- -Chuck