From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 12 16:56:07 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B9217402 for ; Mon, 12 Jan 2015 16:56:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-ob0-x22a.google.com (mail-ob0-x22a.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4003:c01::22a]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 75C528A2 for ; Mon, 12 Jan 2015 16:56:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-ob0-f170.google.com with SMTP id wp18so23117771obc.1 for ; Mon, 12 Jan 2015 08:56:06 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:cc:content-type; bh=nq1ddVQCxxsedxFhq8KLlrtaqxxw2gJta7E69+TMhJE=; b=OUF6wVfuudaxImD1ORU7Bh9/WZnNKTxiZmPgG/yKd1AvcN6xPU8bITs2l7S4FxgstZ nV86oi4UULvEv9WSboELbTCYMrma0eJFv7MNTWkTLjUAzuhXmA5kijw/m/wpuXYfnF5C KmA8urLvzUARXXl70B3eMEVPOoP5Mpkjh727yf97I6TfqHhCD8B2ZnyZO5MJXd5aIqnW jK5u2nj/27B073+pahIaxFE3SIq55jN+Ld0Hlv0bWywL6q6IObsL4OzalAEgqb10Vfy1 E3v1JOQ3R37Y73NJ3O062utoeJ/JK6AtiBQLnkuV0v6osEBYM1KGYzDskVSMZtMRVGyQ JC1Q== X-Received: by 10.60.141.33 with SMTP id rl1mr17856038oeb.49.1421081766856; Mon, 12 Jan 2015 08:56:06 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: royce.williams@gmail.com Received: by 10.202.89.132 with HTTP; Mon, 12 Jan 2015 08:55:45 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <20150111235449.A14AEF52@hub.freebsd.org> <20150112040129.GA16097@lonesome.com> <20150112122652.GA9472@lonesome.com> <54B3BE2C.6030207@sorbs.net> <20150112123241.GB9472@lonesome.com> <54B3C28C.10605@sorbs.net> <20150112130804.GD44537@home.opsec.eu> From: Royce Williams Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2015 07:55:45 -0900 X-Google-Sender-Auth: N7IY4iQAzcNPHSUf9qmLv_E4M7w Message-ID: Subject: Re: BIND REPLACE_BASE option To: Chris H Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Cc: Deb Goodkin , ports X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2015 16:56:07 -0000 On Mon, Jan 12, 2015 at 7:38 AM, Chris H wrote: > As to the "sysadmin gap" a look to > the ports tree seems to indicate quite a volume of "sysadmin" > related ports. Are some missing? To the contrary -- there are too many. A good project would be to survey which ones people actually use, and why -- and then bring their best features into base. This would be difficult to do as a independent skunkworks project, and would be better suited as a high-level, Foundation-sponsored one. (For example, in the Debian ecosystem, for most people, there is no reason to use something other than apt-get, because it does what it should and does it well. Every time I upgrade a port, I have to study /usr/ports/UPDATING, read multiple mailing lists, and hold my breath. I cannot remember the last time I worried about running apt-get. Arguments about flexibility and diversity ecosystem don't hold up well when the basics fail on a regular basis.) Royce