From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Aug 26 14:56:19 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CC90106564A for ; Sun, 26 Aug 2012 14:56:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from royce.williams@gmail.com) Received: from mail-vb0-f54.google.com (mail-vb0-f54.google.com [209.85.212.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 192AE8FC19 for ; Sun, 26 Aug 2012 14:56:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: by vbmv11 with SMTP id v11so4553780vbm.13 for ; Sun, 26 Aug 2012 07:56:17 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=tZ8308lRVrBBbk1tycrqJQ7jInaTUNV6pmeUURiA048=; b=0xGQOwHQzpX23W+R87MMivcurjEDuje4CGMtpKzjIUb6vhYsdNpKCCUgVJUV6eSTWE F5MVGnMo9XdP+CX/+GFbgott/q0TK8LjOvCWbn416iQAJfwrgaX/vZFapvQwC+ekT4GU MiiSLSB9oVn7bImrZkk6t1E4luUywTvyuq7wATbBW/TXBFi6IbRt3zo6C7TYcnGz9W7w mpVTGTTqGxihy28L4OHON6l8Ok6pDecoOKuV6gk0Pn509I8XvfcKGT+gPBrErEPeaS0T oYwlLJ7oPOaENNdvLmiQ9jylJqG3cFM6hIWSOgZEvLvfF8PmFEqogScQ66KTt06Mi3Ku qd9A== Received: by 10.220.214.205 with SMTP id hb13mr8490774vcb.28.1345992977904; Sun, 26 Aug 2012 07:56:17 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.220.8.5 with HTTP; Sun, 26 Aug 2012 07:55:56 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <707E7AD9-6B7F-4356-9A30-0C3DDFAB1B8D@gmail.com> From: Royce Williams Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2012 06:55:56 -0800 Message-ID: To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: FreeBSD Kernel Internals, lecture video X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2012 14:56:19 -0000 On Sun, Aug 26, 2012 at 6:09 AM, Maxim Khitrov wrote: > > On Sun, Aug 26, 2012 at 9:25 AM, Chris Rees wrote: > > On 26 Aug 2012 13:15, "Wojciech Puchar" > > wrote: > >> > >> very expensive.. > > > > Training and education generally are. > > It's still very expensive. $100 I can understand, but $1000 for individuals? > > Take a look at the courses available on coursera.org, all for free. > Take a look at the prices for video/audio courses on > thegreatcourses.com. Combined with the fact that these videos were > recorded from lectures given to an in-person audience, rather than > produced specifically for home viewing, IMHO the price is quite > unreasonable. These videos are the equivalent of learning about the Constitution from its framers. While some Coursera courses can say the same, they appear to be relatively few. This is also probably a significant portion of Kirk's income. Unlike the universities represented in Coursera, he has no regular day job that I'm aware of. He has no university infrastructure and funding model that is already paying him to create these courses (and just capturing them on the side for online use). Finally, he offers discounts: "Please note that I offer a 25% discount to people that can make a plausible hardship case and a 50% discount to full-time students. Please contact me at mckusick@mckusick.com to verify that you qualify and to get instructions on how to order at the discounted price." I think that this all adds up to the pricing being quite fair. Royce