From owner-freebsd-arch@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Aug 20 01:09:59 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C54A21065670 for ; Sat, 20 Aug 2011 01:09:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from giffunip@tutopia.com) Received: from nm7-vm2.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm7-vm2.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.90.155]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 6F2578FC0C for ; Sat, 20 Aug 2011 01:09:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [98.138.90.52] by nm7.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Aug 2011 00:57:32 -0000 Received: from [98.138.89.234] by tm5.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Aug 2011 00:57:32 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1049.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Aug 2011 00:57:32 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 151134.9414.bm@omp1049.mail.ne1.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 3706 invoked by uid 60001); 20 Aug 2011 00:57:31 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1313801851; bh=C2kIj1Jgs0JcFsa4IeRJsvzZGQuajANyJeRw/95EAxo=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-RocketYMMF:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=TAp4rBQXVvTsE3EcR4eZJl2ORWMbpUu35h7uHbBAvUzVxxs6+IE33vAUZXfrcbZ+hHBMWcLP9R60GukUhM6ylBGUEtqTyj8pxp0BgIBGA3lbCjoTAWi02c8UVuU4YbzSIz9IKToBiglcy2zhcZhBXngtIYUXm2a6RsUnZVxFbgo= X-YMail-OSG: LG1VtY4VM1nFD6ZE_BmvusOc.DE8hJCHYpDO0ZZ.tXAQHQF va_o8IT04Gp_3iz3uSVhYuRfWBwGaD7HOG_gbHS.yTkcljJxZj6OWexaLEM2 faqY2Ws5ZM.B3uCuPclUANZvtVsfj9AdF89Mk8NhC4y0fs3OCk83CcSXqBXD gU7UjjofIFeYmq8iT9fwLWIJ36uX5bYiWzVh9X7.xFsR48P3iDIB4wdEXZ9z JllZFt_JhxL0LBEkoW0YlEHgZZyywbwcwcwJ.9_OepNCrVpK2aBity9K8wof OecIOQWWO8ikwCeb6tr0dL3qVtZApEzPod1xbyZ_KEB0crp0OZ5vARRLy8ws FD.lJ_4aslodYc8sIqT115Dc15Uw9aCI2dVn508E3j4d3kLBEtCKlg3z.mAf 33PeJEdzZbKeo0L4NQBRc.PytMlz2MByJtY_SCuNApyUbqE7Lym_RFvPHHa6 aa7H4ges3wUbxVmFiJyh73QYRIyw83FGURMIEMSv2oHSJfjtfhFDZ_LKZB7F uZfOqaCdOUIZtShCb5Ih.udiUhxqJRclTCbmpLn2di3Zll1KsRdEsZ87zVUI IHWp2Ec__Ni0wBfu3zN4CpSErSc4KWCFDY9k7VNaIqNrM2rTv2RLSPoF7Y1A bQnZQ1HvoYUQdfITXFg64fjdfURIhrHQl8avG16extXXph8F1V4pE1leG5CC UetclggB0dfqEpbvaqTocDJRZqztq1pkYLAZA5POV.rc_qJ3AIiactXmJkw- - Received: from [190.157.142.22] by web113505.mail.gq1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 19 Aug 2011 17:57:31 PDT X-RocketYMMF: giffunip X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/14.0.4 YahooMailWebService/0.8.113.313619 Message-ID: <1313801851.3688.YahooMailClassic@web113505.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2011 17:57:31 -0700 (PDT) From: "Pedro F. Giffuni" To: Rick Macklem In-Reply-To: <175270279.98941.1313793515391.JavaMail.root@erie.cs.uoguelph.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Cc: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Subject: Working with Debian GNU/kFreeBSD (was Re: FreeBSD problems and preliminary ways to solve) X-BeenThere: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: giffunip@tutopia.com List-Id: Discussion related to FreeBSD architecture List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2011 01:09:59 -0000 --- On Fri, 8/19/11, Rick Macklem wrote: ... > > One thing I thought I'd bring up (since I haven't seen it > mentioned yet) is Debian GNU/kFreeBSD. I haven't tried it, > so I'm talking through my hat a bunch, but... > Oh, yes ... the "others" ... ;). This kFreeBSD vs. Linux comparison is very interesting: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=debian_kfreebsd_h210&num=1 They seem to be doing pretty well but they still have some issues that are important for some debian packages: - No alsa - Still using the older userland linux threads. - Systemd is becoming popular but is linux specific. Having the kernel X.Org stuff would help them too. The guys there are actually eager to work with us but they don't know well the ways around our standards and development process. For some stuff I was working on, Robert Millan pointed me to these patches for system headers: http://anonscm.debian.org/viewvc/glibc-bsd/trunk/kfreebsd-kernel-headers/debian/patches/ They require a lot of cleaning but it would be a good starting point. Another possibility could be to work together on a launchd port, but that's a completely different topic and I am not sure there's interest. cheers, Pedro.