From owner-freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Mon Dec 4 11:34:12 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-arch@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB575DF959F for ; Mon, 4 Dec 2017 11:34:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wjw@digiware.nl) Received: from mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (unknown [127.0.1.3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFC1064612 for ; Mon, 4 Dec 2017 11:34:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wjw@digiware.nl) Received: by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) id BC1A3DF959E; Mon, 4 Dec 2017 11:34:12 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: arch@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBAF5DF959D for ; Mon, 4 Dec 2017 11:34:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wjw@digiware.nl) Received: from smtp.digiware.nl (smtp.digiware.nl [IPv6:2001:4cb8:90:ffff::3]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8281B64611; Mon, 4 Dec 2017 11:34:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wjw@digiware.nl) Received: from router.digiware.nl (localhost.digiware.nl [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.digiware.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3E6B2EE2E; Mon, 4 Dec 2017 12:34:08 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at digiware.com Received: from smtp.digiware.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by router.digiware.nl (router.digiware.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id MksIJ6hRWTCS; Mon, 4 Dec 2017 12:34:06 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.101.70] (vpn.ecoracks.nl [176.74.240.1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.digiware.nl (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 95F332EE2C; Mon, 4 Dec 2017 12:34:06 +0100 (CET) Subject: Re: Deprecating / Removing floppy drive support To: Alex Kozlov Cc: arch@freebsd.org References: <201712030616.vB36GFEg026146@slippy.cwsent.com> <43746890-e60a-5c8f-4c77-bbfe9a5a6aa9@selasky.org> <67961.1512296877@critter.freebsd.dk> <20171203120028.32f84314@ernst.home> <20171203113341.GA68792@ravenloft.kiev.ua> <23404.1512302187@critter.freebsd.dk> <20171203121821.GA69142@ravenloft.kiev.ua> <387b63e9-f97c-fa2d-192d-8e36cb2dbcba@digiware.nl> <20171204103844.GA23257@ravenloft.kiev.ua> From: Willem Jan Withagen Message-ID: Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2017 12:34:06 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20171204103844.GA23257@ravenloft.kiev.ua> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: nl Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion related to FreeBSD architecture List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2017 11:34:13 -0000 On 4-12-2017 11:38, Alex Kozlov wrote: > On Mon, Dec 04, 2017 at 10:26:17AM +0100, Willem Jan Withagen wrote: >> On 03/12/2017 13:18, Alex Kozlov wrote: >>> On Sun, Dec 03, 2017 at 11:56:27AM +0000, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: >>>> In message <20171203113341.GA68792@ravenloft.kiev.ua>, Alex Kozlov writes: >>>>>> On Sun, 03 Dec 2017 10:27:57 +0000 >>>>>> "Poul-Henning Kamp" wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Incidentally FreeBSD is/was the only modern OS which could >>>>>>> still read 8" floppies. >>>>> Well, with proper* cable you can connect 8" drive to fdc and read >>>>> it pretty much on any OS that supports floppies. >>>> Uhm... no ? >>>> >>>> Very few OS's have had 8" format compatible settings since CP/M >>>> and even fewer handle the track46 pin correctly on write. >>> I'd done it in dos, I read about successful setups for Linux and >>> Windows(older). Anecdotally, I was not able to do it in FreeBSD. >> Never too late to learn.... >> >> I still think I have my (from 1982) 8" disks around with a ported CP/M >> system to a TRS-80 like system... But ever since the Intel ASM/CPM >> developement stack died on the University they have been lying round for >> nostalgic reasons. And the hardware got dumped with the last move about >> 12 years ago. >> >> But it never ever occured to me that FreeBSD would be able to do 8", if >> alone for the controller. But now I learn that it could have worked... >> Cool :) > Theoretically, it should work. In practice, as bde@ suggested, you may need > to use UP i386 kernel and perhaps downgrade to earlier version of FreeBSD. > Also you need to somehow acquire 34-to-50 cable or adaptor*. I made mine, > so perhaps that why I failed :) > You don't need to worry about tg43 signal if you don't plan to write on these > floppies. > > In the end, after burning weekend on this little project, I realized that I > risk to burn much more time, so I just ordered kryoflux. > > *) something like this http://www.classiccmp.org/dunfield/img54306/h/c8ssc.jpg Like I said. I'm keeping mine for nostalgic reason.... Don't have the drive any longer. Dare I say that I even have hard sectored 8" disks, when the start of block is actually indicated by a series of punched holes 8-) --WjW